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Old 09-18-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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So tell us just HOW does the family that can't afford premiums pay for their medical bills?
How do you think they do it?

I mean, how does anyone pay for anything, if they can't rob someone else?
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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Obamacare is national health care.
You have no idea what Obamacare is.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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They don't, because according to the OP, they shouldn't be accruing medical bills. If they get sick or get into an accident and have no insurance, going to the ER is mooching. The OP would prefer that you simply curl up and die--preferably quietly and out of sight so as not to disturb his delicate sensibilities.

Now that I think of it, that pretty accurately describes the Tea Party philosophy on healthcare.
Ahh, I see we have a hater.

Does anyone who's actually sane have the answer?
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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If I can't pay the bill I can't pay the bill. How can I pay for the government choosing what to buy for me, if I can't pay for what ** I ** want to buy?
Healthcare is not a commodity/tchotchky. Stop treating it as such.



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That's the question. How do you pay for collectively, what you can't afford individually? Is this something like how we could all drive Cadillacs if we just let the government buy them for us?

Look to any of the industrialized nations of the world to find out how societies offer universal coverage to their people. From Japan to France, Canada to Australia. Plenty of options to choose from.


Cadillacs are not necessities. They aren't life or death. But nice try.





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Who buys health insurance out of concern for their neighbor? Please raise your hand. I want to know who here has so much money they can afford to do that.

Your reckless disregard for your neighbor means that you should be held liable for voluntarily exposing others to your risky behavior. Think of it as monthly payments on a tort suit you would otherwise be subject to in a just world where people don't sacrifice pragmatism for braindead adherence to political philosophies.



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Why? If you earn 50K a year, how's having your employer pay for it before you get paid gonna help?
Do you know what a risk pool is?
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Everyone else pays for the ER moochers. I assumed you were one of the people who mooch free health care from ER because you make questions like "why have insurance".
Yes, I know. Anyone who dares question your premise must be of bad character and deserving of insult and derision, right?

After all, non-liberals are just evil scum deserving to die, right?
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:27 PM
 
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How do you think they do it?

I mean, how does anyone pay for anything, if they can't rob someone else?


Two options:

1) Go to doctor, hospital has to write it off when you can't pay or go bankrupt.

2) Die.



Which is the greater moral wrong, where both are moral wrongs?
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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After all, non-liberals are just evil scum deserving to die, right?

About as much deserving of death as the uninsured, I suppose. So, take that as you will.


BTW, do you spend your day dividing people into "liberals and non-liberals," and forging your identity and self-worth based on being a "non liberal"? If so, that's very, very sad.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The answer is "via insurance". That's how people pay collectively for things they cannot afford individually. Another answer might be "through taxes". I certainly can't pay for large-scale water purification or a city's worth of roads on my own.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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Healthcare is not a commodity. Stop treating it as such.
Of course it is.


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Look to any of the industrialized nations of the world to find out how societies offer universal coverage to their people. From Japan to France, Canada to Australia. Plenty of options to choose from.
No thanks. No need to adopt bad ideas.



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Cadillacs are not necessities. They aren't life or death. But nice try.
Nice way to try to dodge the point.

Answer the question. Explain how you pay for, collectively, what you can't pay for, individually.


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Your reckless disregard for your neighbor means that you should be held liable for voluntarily exposing others to your risky behavior. Think of it as monthly payments on a tort suit you would otherwise be subject to in a just world where people don't sacrifice pragmatism for braindead adherence to political philosophies.
Oh, another brain-dead hater.

I should have realized when your previous answers had no rational basis.

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Do you know what a risk pool is?
Why, yes I do.

I am absolutely CERTAIN you do not.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:32 PM
 
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The answer is "via insurance". That's how people pay collectively for things they cannot afford individually. Another answer might be "through taxes". I certainly can't pay for large-scale water purification or a city's worth of roads on my own.
Explain how that works.

Explain how we all get to buy Cadillacs through insurance but can't afford the car otherwise.

Use dollar figures to explain it.
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