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Old 09-20-2013, 05:21 AM
 
Location: USA
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It is almost 6 years since the foreclosure crisis came to be.. in just one city .. Orlando , Florida there are 16 thousand foreclosures listed on Trulia.. that does not count for the short sales that many banks are now allowing to sellers just to keep more foreclosures to go on the banks books..

Look at the link.. this amount of foreclosers was the same a year ago..and now they have short sales to get rid of property.

Orlando Foreclosures — Trulia.com


We are in big trouble and the crisis is still here.. Obama has been a terrible president and this economy is getting worse.. wait till Obamacare kicks in!
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Miami has 27 thousand bank owned foreclosures on the market. Is it ever going to end?

Miami Foreclosures — Trulia.com

I guess the banks got exactly what they asked for. They cheated people out of their homes and now they have too many on the books. Gotta love America


1 in 3 Foreclosures Have Bank Errors to Blame | AOL Real Estate

Bank Of America Lied To Homeowners And Encouraged Foreclosures, Former Workers Allege - Business Insider
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Old 09-20-2013, 05:26 AM
 
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I guess the banks got exactly what they asked for. They cheated people out of their homes and now they have too many on the books. Gotta love America


1 in 3 Foreclosures Have Bank Errors to Blame | AOL Real Estate

Bank Of America Lied To Homeowners And Encouraged Foreclosures, Former Workers Allege - Business Insider
Not just banks. Don't forget the govt. Those deals were made because not only does the govt own those banks, but that is where their investments are. 232 tril. That is an amazing sum. All those IRS, CDOs, MBS etc...
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:40 AM
 
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That's interesting, because the economist who coined the phrase "Shadow Banking" argues that we need MORE regulation to contain it.

But hey, I'm sure you know more about this kind of stuff than a guy like McCulley, who ran the short term trading desk at PIMCO.


Shadow Banking: An interview with Paul McCulley - YouTube
More regulation contains a shadow economy until a net economy reaches a point where the basic needs of citizens are met (infrastructure exists, etc). Once an economy has risen from a tier 3 to emerging market status, more regulations stifles growth and pushes more into a shadow market.

Look at Peru - it takes over 300 days to start a small business due to excessive government regulation, compared to taking one hour in the united states. You have to do more research than googling a single youtube video to understand how economies work.

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I've got to laugh out loud at this one.

Nice try.
I am impressed with the amount of thoughtful reason you put into this answer.


Here are a few scholarly sources to back up what I am saying. Do you have a single source (you know, actual evidence, not your opinion as you seem to typically run off of) to back up your point of view?

The shadow economies of Western Europe - Schneider - 2008 - Economic Affairs - Wiley Online Library
Shadow Economies and Corruption All Over the World: What Do We Really Know? by Friedrich Schneider :: SSRN
The Size and Development of the Shadow Economies of 22 Transition and 21 OECD Countries by Friedrich Schneider :: SSRN
EconStor: The Size of the Shadow Economies of 145 Countries all over the World : First Results over the Period 1999 to 2003
Shadow Economies Around the World - Size, Causes, and Consequences - Friedrich Schneider, Dominik Enste - Google Books
Shadow Economies Grow as People Flee High Taxes and Stiff Regulations - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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Old 09-20-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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More regulation contains a shadow economy until a net economy reaches a point where the basic needs of citizens are met (infrastructure exists, etc). Once an economy has risen from a tier 3 to emerging market status, more regulations stifles growth and pushes more into a shadow market.

Look at Peru - it takes over 300 days to start a small business due to excessive government regulation, compared to taking one hour in the united states. You have to do more research than googling a single youtube video to understand how economies work.



I am impressed with the amount of thoughtful reason you put into this answer.


Here are a few scholarly sources to back up what I am saying. Do you have a single source (you know, actual evidence, not your opinion as you seem to typically run off of) to back up your point of view?

The shadow economies of Western Europe - Schneider - 2008 - Economic Affairs - Wiley Online Library
Shadow Economies and Corruption All Over the World: What Do We Really Know? by Friedrich Schneider :: SSRN
The Size and Development of the Shadow Economies of 22 Transition and 21 OECD Countries by Friedrich Schneider :: SSRN
EconStor: The Size of the Shadow Economies of 145 Countries all over the World : First Results over the Period 1999 to 2003
Shadow Economies Around the World - Size, Causes, and Consequences - Friedrich Schneider, Dominik Enste - Google Books
Shadow Economies Grow as People Flee High Taxes and Stiff Regulations - Hit & Run : Reason.com
However, making rules for others, but exempting yourself or loop holing seems to have been going on for some time. The govt elite et al is the one making the regs, they are also the biggest investor here. All that offshoring has been part of it, as well.
Offshore Leaks, Tax Haven Secrecy Revealed | International ...

JPMorgan Chase’s record highlights doubts about big banks’ devotion to fighting dirty money flows

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Old 09-21-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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This seems to align with the current largest amt of derivatives being IRS. JPM's in particular special tool.
A Cartel of Big Banks Is Hurting the World Economy By Manipulating Derivatives
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The derivatives “reform” legislation previously passed has probably actually weakened existing regulations, and the legislation was “probably written by JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs“.
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Harold Bradley – who oversees almost $2 billion in assets as chief investment officer at the Kauffman Foundation – told the Reuters Global Exchanges and Trading Summit in New York that a cabal is preventing swap derivatives from being forced onto clearing exchanges:
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:53 AM
 
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However, making rules for others, but exempting yourself or loop holing seems to have been going on for some time. The govt elite et al is the one making the regs, they are also the biggest investor here. All that offshoring has been part of it, as well.
Offshore Leaks, Tax Haven Secrecy Revealed | International ...

JPMorgan Chase’s record highlights doubts about big banks’ devotion to fighting dirty money flows
What can a major bank do that a small company can't do as well? There aren't tax 'loopholes', there are just people who educate themselves more on global tax codes.
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