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Old 09-20-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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IRS corruption update -- three key revelations from Lois Lerner

Not sure if this has been posted, Obama's fumbling of Syria meant that other news got less attention:

Why would Lois Learner lie and mislead the media and congress? After all, as she said, she was completely innocent...so why do her emails say something completely different than her story to the public?
We knew she lied a LONG time ago.

Everyone else did, too.

It took this long to break the stonewalling and get the evidence in hand.

LL lied, as DOES EVERY LIBERAL. About everything. They believe winning an argument is more important than being correct. And for them, politics is personal, which is why their ONLY argument is ALWAYS to attack the person of their opposition, never ideas or reasoning.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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The root blog of that sequence got it about right.

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Is it scandalous? If you don't think a bureaucrat taking this role in the IRS should hold such views, yes. And if, like the WSJ, you see a discrepency here between Lerner saying the cases shouldn't go to Cincinnati and the IRS telling Congress, in April, that "rogue agents" in Cincinnati were behind the aggressive targeting—definitely a scandal. But that's what we're sort of left with, a disagreement over whether the IRS should have been nosy about a surge of political groups asking for tax exemption, and whether that nosiness hit the right disproportionately.

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A reasonable appraisal. There in general are high level policy positions that should worry about such things. What should have happened is the IRS should simply have shut down all such requests from the right or left. Instead they acted like bureaucrats and vacillated.

So yeah Lerner et al. should get their hands slapped. But for not shutting this nonsense down in the first place.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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The root blog of that sequence got it about right.

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Is it scandalous? If you don't think a bureaucrat taking this role in the IRS should hold such views, yes. And if, like the WSJ, you see a discrepency here between Lerner saying the cases shouldn't go to Cincinnati and the IRS telling Congress, in April, that "rogue agents" in Cincinnati were behind the aggressive targeting—definitely a scandal. But that's what we're sort of left with, a disagreement over whether the IRS should have been nosy about a surge of political groups asking for tax exemption, and whether that nosiness hit the right disproportionately.

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A reasonable appraisal. There in general are high level policy positions that should worry about such things. What should have happened is the IRS should simply have shut down all such requests from the right or left. Instead they acted like bureaucrats and vacillated.

So yeah Lerner et al. should get their hands slapped. But for not shutting this nonsense down in the first place.
Huh?

Lois Lerner should be in jail.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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IRS corruption update -- three key revelations from Lois Lerner



Why would Lois Learner lie and mislead the media and congress? After all, as she said, she was completely innocent...so why do her emails say something completely different than her story to the public?
She wants to stay out of jail ..... or worse - keep in mind that she made these claims of "innocence" while she was claiming 5th Amendments rights to not testify against herself. At some point, we may get a Special Prosecutor that can offer her immunity to spill the beans and then find a Witness Protection spot for her.

Using the powers of a Federal Agency like the IRS to target political opposition is serious business - even if Obama's "outrage" has now morphed to "shrug, phony scandal". Too many people know too much and have lawyered up for protection. These things take years, but the truth will come out eventually.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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Using the powers of a Federal Agency like the IRS to target political opposition is serious business - even if Obama's "outrage" has now morphed to "shrug, phony scandal". Too many people know too much and have lawyered up for protection. These things take years, but the truth will come out eventually.

But by then, it will be a whole new gang of liberal thugs in office, abusing powers they weren't given, and it'll take years to catch up with them.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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And you continue to ignore the salient point. Lerner was a career employee of the professional class. It was her duty to consider the implications and proper response to the requests for tax exemptions.

The only thing she may have done wrong is failing to simply shut it down early. Certainly what the IRS should have done at least until a contrary court ruling.

Career employees do not go to jail for sins within the scope of their job. The worst penalty is they get fired.

Lerner took the fifth on the advice of counsel as their was a witch hunt in full cry...and she was the likely candidate to go to the stake.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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But by then, it will be a whole new gang of liberal thugs in office, abusing powers they weren't given, and it'll take years to catch up with them.
Yep, it'll never end. The TAKERS outnumber the contributors, so demise is inevitable.

The Fall of Rome as a prelude, for those who are ignorant of history:
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In the early days of greatness, Romans regarded themselves as their chief source of income. By that I mean each individual looked to himself—what he could acquire voluntarily in the marketplace—as the source of his livelihood. Rome’s decline began when the people discovered another source of income: the political process—the State.

When Romans abandoned self-responsibility and self-reliance, and began to vote themselves benefits, to use government to rob Peter and pay Paul, to put their hands into other people’s pockets, to envy and covet the productive and their wealth, their fate was sealed.
The Fall of Rome and Modern Parallels : Foundation for Economic Education
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Old 09-20-2013, 05:30 PM
 
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And you continue to ignore the salient point. Lerner was a career employee of the professional class. It was her duty to consider the implications and proper response to the requests for tax exemptions.

The only thing she may have done wrong is failing to simply shut it down early. Certainly what the IRS should have done at least until a contrary court ruling.

Career employees do not go to jail for sins within the scope of their job. The worst penalty is they get fired.

Lerner took the fifth on the advice of counsel as their was a witch hunt in full cry...and she was the likely candidate to go to the stake.
Wrong. Lois Lerner was actively seeking to do precisely what happened.

She wasn't an unfortunate administrator whose underlings misbehaved. She was part of an administration who choose her precisely BECAUSE SHE WOULD BREAK THE LAW.
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Old 09-20-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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Career employees do not go to jail for sins within the scope of their job. The worst penalty is they get fired.

Lerner took the fifth on the advice of counsel as their was a witch hunt in full cry...and she was the likely candidate to go to the stake.
Lois Lerner committed perjury. She willingly lied and then attempted to duck prosecution by resigning, knowing that the AG will never prosecute any crime committed to help Democrats win.
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