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Old 09-20-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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What are the imperfections and what are the tweeks? So first the dems say we have to pass it to know what was in it and now they say we have to put it into effect to know what needs to be fixed.
Bill Clinton does a good job of explaining both the benefits and the parts of the law that still need work. He's right that there are things that need to be tweaked.

Bill Clinton calls for GOP to improve - not repeal

Now the question I have for you is, will you support the efforts to improve the law, or will you side with the minority crybabies in the Tea Party and do whatever you can to make it fail?
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I just heard on NPR today that the house plans to shut down the government, unless the government agrees to basically kill ObamaCare. When is this belligerent stupidity going to stop? Sheesh, they are sounding more and more like the Taliban.

What is wrong with rational, centrist governance? When did conservatives decide to send in the goon squad instead of real leaders? It is just getting insane.
When the teabaggers are sent packing.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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So who is offering any fixes for the imperfections?
Not the Repubs, and why not?
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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See my post above to Hawkeye2009. What are your offered fixes?
Waiting for the same answer, they do not seem to know what the problems may be because they are having to ask others, as for fixes I doubt they have any other than kill the program all together and not reralize that is not the option.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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when the liberals decided to pass a bill without reading it
They are not Liberals.... I wish people would understand Libs are not gun grabbers or wanting to pull the stupid crap Obama does, and his ilk do. They are brain dead Democrats and think they are the ruling class.


LIBERTY is where the word liberal comes from. if you are a Liberal, the whole idea is to live and not make rules for OTHER PEOPLE to live by.

People who make rule for everyone else to live by are Democrats, and these people like big gov and big taxes so they can get hand outs for free.

Liberals, real one don't want to pay any taxes and they don't want any govt hand outs either. These so called progressive liberals are not progressive or liberal!

Like modern tree huggers are just stupid. They think 'Green' but act in another way pissin' chittin' and leaving wastes on top of the soil with in 200 feet of clear running water.
The mess they have created this summer in NH is disgusting.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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So who is offering any fixes for the imperfections?
This is a joke question, right? Are you seriously suggesting that the Republicans in the House would allow any fixes when they are so set on making sure it fails?
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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I just heard on NPR today that the house plans to shut down the government, unless the government agrees to basically kill ObamaCare. When is this belligerent stupidity going to stop? Sheesh, they are sounding more and more like the Taliban.

What is wrong with rational, centrist governance? When did conservatives decide to send in the goon squad instead of real leaders? It is just getting insane.
Don't believe the hype.

It is not the GOP who will shut down the government....it is the president.

The GOP will fund the entire government except for obamacare.

It's up to the dummycrats to put up or shut down the government.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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They are not Liberals.... I wish people would understand Libs are not gun grabbers or wanting to pull the stupid crap Obama does, and his ilk do. They are brain dead Democrats and think they are the ruling class.


LIBERTY is where the word liberal comes from. if you are a Liberal, the whole idea is to live and not make rules for OTHER PEOPLE to live by.

People who make rule for everyone else to live by are Democrats, and these people like big gov and big taxes so they can get hand outs for free.

Liberals, real one don't want to pay any taxes and they don't want any govt hand outs either. These so called progressive liberals are not progressive or liberal!

Like modern tree huggers are just stupid. They think 'Green' but act in another way pissin' chittin' and leaving wastes on top of the soil with in 200 feet of clear running water.
The mess they have created this summer in NH is disgusting.
Just keep repeating that and nominating candidates that repeat it too and you will have no means to do further harm, as those candidates will lose like Romney lost and this viewpoint will be relegated to the fringe corners.

The idea that the best government is one that coddles the rich with tax-cuts while cutting subsistence programs for the poor, is not only immoral but economically discredited.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:56 AM
 
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Yeah, just like they were close the other 40 something times...

Doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results, is a sign of insanity. I wonder what believing the people that are doing the same thing over and over, while expecting/championing different results, is called...

I certainly wouldn't call it smart.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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Don't believe the hype.

It is not the GOP who will shut down the government....it is the president.

The GOP will fund the entire government except for obamacare.

It's up to the dummycrats to put up or shut down the government.
It won't even get to the president. The Senate will strip out the repeal Obamcare language and send it back to the House. The ball will then be in their court. Will they stand firm and allow the government to shut down because the Democrats won't allow them a do-over? Or will they use the Democrats and pass a clean CR? My money is on the second option. It won't be the first time that Boehner was forced to go to the Democrats to get something past the moronic Tea Party minority.
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