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Old 09-20-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Having watched the whole hearing, I would point out the Issa was also missing for lengthy periods of the hearing.
If you really watch these hearings you are aware that all the members are usually "missing" for periods of time - their aids usually stay and take notes while the members go for votes or attend to other things. The hearings are many hours long - members are constantly moving in and out of the hearing room. In the case of the Benghazi hearings - the Democrats give speeches instead of asking questions, Republicans often leave - the reverse is true when the Republicans ask questions - the Democrats have zero interest in any of this and they make that clear. The same thing is true on the IRS hearings - they are both considered "political" by the democrats and "phony" by the President and his office - no interest at all in any investigation.

If nothing else - it's a matter of courtesy to hear the family members. The media wasn't there at all and the room behind the family was Empty. It must be very frustrating and disheartening for them to know that so many people just don't care. At least the Tillman family knew that people cared about what happened to their son and the cover-up.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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If nothing else - it's a matter of courtesy to hear the family members. The media wasn't there at all and the room behind the family was Empty. It must be very frustrating and disheartening for them to know that so many people just don't care.
Why should the media care if fully 75% of the Republicans on the panel--you know, the very same ones who demanded that the families be heard--couldn't bother to be there either? I guess they're not very courteous, huh? These families were used by Issa and the GOP in yet another dog and pony show, and the Republicans' very obvious disinterest in what they had to say is proof enough of that.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Only six out of 24 Republicans even bothered to show up for a hearing they demanded be held. What does that tell you about how much they really care about the families?
Seriously, is this true? After all the whining and hand wringing about the Democrats not being there?

Righties - I'm curious. Is the above true?
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Only six out of 24 Republicans even bothered to show up for a hearing they demanded be held. What does that tell you about how much they really care about the families?
Slate saying it "appeared" there were only 6 Republicans there doesn't make it so. If you can find a solid source that shows which Republicans were and were not there, then post that.
We know there is an undisputed list that only 2 Dems stayed in the room for the parents testimony, and the ones who walked out have been listed as well. Plus those that didn't show up.

If you want to argue about which Republicans weren't there, then find a source that lists the same information for the Republicans.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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If you really watch these hearings you are aware that all the members are usually "missing" for periods of time - their aids usually stay and take notes while the members go for votes or attend to other things. The hearings are many hours long - members are constantly moving in and out of the hearing room. In the case of the Benghazi hearings - the Democrats give speeches instead of asking questions, Republicans often leave - the reverse is true when the Republicans ask questions - the Democrats have zero interest in any of this and they make that clear. The same thing is true on the IRS hearings - they are both considered "political" by the democrats and "phony" by the President and his office - no interest at all in any investigation.

If nothing else - it's a matter of courtesy to hear the family members. The media wasn't there at all and the room behind the family was Empty. It must be very frustrating and disheartening for them to know that so many people just don't care. At least the Tillman family knew that people cared about what happened to their son and the cover-up.
I am aware the members are missing all the time. There are other ways for them to be informed of the testimony. There is a lot of grandstanding on both sides during hearings. Sadly it tends to be the exception rather then the rule that a member asks useful questions.

I'm not the one making a big deal about missing members. Its standard practice. Issa sending out the picture is just another example of how partisan he is. There were also many missing Republican members, but he didn't take a picture and tweet about that did he?

Part of the problem I have with these particular hearings is that in spite of the fact that there have been answers to many of the questions and issues, some members on the committee pretend like they haven't been provided with the answers. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't been it hasn't been addressed.

Since a lot of the issues involve the CIA much the information will not be available for years. Congress has had closed hearings. So they have heard the answers.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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Why don't you just admit that to you the Benghazi hearings are just the latest mechanism for ragging on Obama?
Don't you get tired of defending this empty suit of a man ?
Why can't you except that their telling of lies are the same lies?
Can one say cover up like a cat in a litter box.You can try to mask the smell but it is still a bunch of overflowing s#!t...
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Slate saying it "appeared" there were only 6 Republicans there doesn't make it so. If you can find a solid source that shows which Republicans were and were not there, then post that.
We know there is an undisputed list that only 2 Dems stayed in the room for the parents testimony, and the ones who walked out have been listed as well. Plus those that didn't show up.

If you want to argue about which Republicans weren't there, then find a source that lists the same information for the Republicans.
I watched the complete hearing. There were many empty Republican seats. I would also point out that many of the Democrats addressed comments to the family members when the first panel was being questioned.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Don't you get tired of defending this empty suit of a man ?
Why can't you except that their telling of lies are the same lies?
Can one say cover up like a cat in a litter box.You can try to mask the smell but it is still a bunch of overflowing s#!t...
A lot of the smell is emanating from the Republican side of the committee.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If this was G.W.Bush you Obamabots would be singing a different tune to dance too now wouldn't you...admit your big baby Obama is a dunce I bet he still has his fooler because his thumbs are stuck up his sorry a$$.
"Bush is not the president"!

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there is a difference between not able to attend and walking out. You think allowing a family to tell what they knew and how they were treated is despicable . Hope you never have to be in the same boat.
Walking out on a family telling what they were told and how they felt is despicable
"Not able to attend", LOL! Not important enough to clear time for, apparently.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Really? Serious, honest question here.

We've been down this road before with the Pat Tillman family - including the parents of Pat Tillman in testimony before the House Oversight Committee. They wanted to know what happened to their son and questioned the cover-up.

Was that "dancing on graves"?
Was it "embarrassing"?

The Tillman family did not give up, the House Oversight Committee did not give up and they finally got to the truth of the matter.

Big difference in the Tillman case and the Benghazi case - Nobody walked out of that hearing and the Tillman's had the courtesy of being heard. The media was heavily involved in reporting it and their was a Republican President in the White House. Pat Tillman was killed in April of 2004 - it took years to get to the truth and the Media cheered that battle for the truth. Big difference today, but the parents of those men that were killed in Benghazi have just as much right to the truth as the Tillman family did. All the family involved in these cases just want the same thing .... The Truth.

Tillman's family, Lynch testify before Congress - April 2007


Remember the video? The State Department investigation that failed to investigate, the missing 30 witnesses, the missing President during the 9 hour battle - the lack of any accountability at all for anyone, including those who killed these people. This is only year 1, the Tillmans were still fighting for the Truth in year 3. Mary Tillman is correct - it is "really important" and must have ZERO bearing on the Political Party that sits in the White House or the Pentagon.
Pat Tillman is not the topic of this thread.
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