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(That's what the right would have said if Gore had won) Also if it was President McCain who got bin Laden they'd be going on and on about how he'd still be alive and free if Obama had won
Ok, everybody. Let me ask you this. Suppose someone showed you a video of those towers collapsing on 9/11 and you had no knowledge of planes striking the towers. Would you believe it if someone told you they were brought down by controlled demolition? Does it look like controlled demolition to you? Answer honestly, please. If you ever seen a controlled demolition on tv or elsewhere, do they look the same as the twin towers collapsing?
Since you are constantly telling people to "watch this" or "read this" did you look at the website I posted....
Oh heck no, as I posted earlier:
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He/she/it is convinced it's a conspiracy, blinders are on and brain is disengaged....
Does it look similar to a "controlled demolition"?
Yes, do I believe the wacko's who come out of the woodwork to proclaim they have "new information" that 911's explanation was a conspiracy?
Did you know that molten steel was found at ground zero, pools of molten steel? [/quot[
did you know that this is a complete and total lie? No molten steel was found at ground zero
what was found was slags of Aluminum (you know that metal that COVERED The eNTIRE facade of both towers), which has a lower melting point than Steel does.
[quote[ Did you know that it takes 2700 degrees to melt steel?
did you know that no one claimed that the steel had to melt completely? and did you know that steel loses 80% of its strength at nearly HALF that temperature? did you know that the NIST reports explains that it was the lost of strength that lead to collapse of the buidlings? and why the wrong temperature measurements? (we know why in your next false claim below)
Of course you didn't because you are parroting long debunked 911 truther lies.
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Did you know that jet fuel on burns at 700-900 degrees?
and we see why you use the temperatures without the actual scale.
STeel melts at 1500-1600 degrees CELSIUS (or 2300-2700 degrees FARENHEIT)
STeel loses half its strength at 700-800 degrees celsius or 1472 degrees FARENHEIT
Steel loses 80% of its strength at 800-900 degrees celsius
Now factor in that the foam fire coating was dislodged and only had a rating of 2 hours, those steel beams that held the building together, were subjected to almost an hour each of temperatures reaching 1800 degrees FARENHEIT
Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
Oops, what was the temperature that steel loses nearly half its strength? 1472 degrees FARENHEIT
It reached what temperature in the WTC towers? oh yeah: 1800 degrees FARENHEIT
So, why are you being dishonest in your posting? Oh that's right, you're a truther, and truthers lie.
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Did you know that thermite was found at ground zero?
did you know this is a complete lie? did you knwo that all they found red paint chips? and normal RUST and corrosion on a nearly 30 year old building?
Tells you much about the quality of study done by the ae911 truth (oh yeah, none of these guys were qualified).
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Did you know that NIST, the creators of the official story, never looked for evidence of controlled demolition. They never looked. Why not?
did you know that no explosive demolitions happen from the top down? Did you know that it would have taken nearly 40 Dump trucks filled with explosives in order to wire buildings the size of the WTC towers? Did you knwo that a controlled demolition job would have taken 2-3 months to prep, without the employees of the several businesses in each building knowing?
NIST looked in the CD hypothesis:
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8. Why didn’t NIST consider a “controlled demolition” hypothesis with matching computer modeling and explanation like it did for the “pancake theory” hypothesis?
NIST conducted an extremely thorough three-year investigation that included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the WTC towers.
Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests, and created sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.
Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed according to the scenario detailed in the response to Question 6.
NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.
NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:
the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;
the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.
Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST or by the New York City Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department, or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.
In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view.
The point of that demonstration is that a steel structure cannot collapse at freefall speed into its own footprint without all supporting elements of the building being destroyed at once.
Look at all the discredited 911 truther claims and total ignorance on your part, in 1 sentence
1) FREEFALL isn't a speed. Its a measurement of ACCELERATION, so this demonstrates your ignorance on what you parrot.
2) the WTC towers didn't "fall into their own" footprints, as demonstrated by the damage and/or destruction of WTC 7, WTC 6, The Verizon Building, St. Nikolas Church, WTC 3, WTC 4, WTC 5, the Millenium Hotel, East River Savings Bank, 90 West Street, Bankers Trust building, One, Two, and Three World financial buildings.
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The collapses were symmetrical, straight down.
1) they werne't symmetrical (another truther parrot you have no idea what it means) and of course they were straight down. We have a thing called GRAVITY on Earth. I'm sure you heard of it.
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Yet the damage from the planes and fire was not symmetrical. Something had to take out the core, supporting elements of the buildings from top to bottom.
More ignorance on your part since all you are doing is parroting long debunked 911 truther lies. There WAS NO CORE.
News for you: The miracle of the WTC towers, and why it was heralded as an architectural marvel, was that it was BUILT withoout a normal concrete core. The entire Buildings' weight was supported by the FRAME (outside) of the building, by STEEL trusses and a tube-in-tube desig
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The collapse of the WTC perfectly matches the collapses of videotaped controlled demolitions from around the world.
which shows another ignorance on your part.
Did you know that all CONTROLLED demolitions USEs GRAVITY to make buildings fall?
I know this must seem odd to you, you know to use GRAVITY to make your building fall, but CD operators have been relying on this NATURAL force for the last 100 years to collapse buildings. I know its such a NOVEL idea to you, but those in the business have been using this force for years.
The entire meaning of CONTROLLED is to CONTROL the FALL of a building, to minimize risk and DAMAGE to buildings around the collapse building.
GEE, what a nOVEL approach!
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Witnesses interviewed on CNN and other major news networks reported hearing concussive blasts right before all 3 collapses.
how dishonest of you to not put that cnn witness into perspective, and when he "heard" these "concussive blasts" in relation those collapses.
but, the real truth is that most of those "concussive' sounds were the sound of those who FELL to their deaths
and of course the WTC towers had their own backup generators on several floors, so many of the sounds were the generators exploding (from the fires). there are also other reasons why people thought they heard explosions
Look at all the discredited 911 truther claims and total ignorance on your part, in 1 sentence
1) FREEFALL isn't a speed. Its a measurement of ACCELERATION, so this demonstrates your ignorance on what you parrot.
2) the WTC towers didn't "fall into their own" footprints, as demonstrated by the damage and/or destruction of WTC 7, WTC 6, The Verizon Building, St. Nikolas Church, WTC 3, WTC 4, WTC 5, the Millenium Hotel, East River Savings Bank, 90 West Street, Bankers Trust building, One, Two, and Three World financial buildings.
1) they werne't symmetrical (another truther parrot you have no idea what it means) and of course they were straight down. We have a thing called GRAVITY on Earth. I'm sure you heard of it.
More ignorance on your part since all you are doing is parroting long debunked 911 truther lies. There WAS NO CORE.
News for you: The miracle of the WTC towers, and why it was heralded as an architectural marvel, was that it was BUILT withoout a normal concrete core. The entire Buildings' weight was supported by the FRAME (outside) of the building, by STEEL trusses and a tube-in-tube desig
which shows another ignorance on your part.
Did you know that all CONTROLLED demolitions USEs GRAVITY to make buildings fall?
I know this must seem odd to you, you know to use GRAVITY to make your building fall, but CD operators have been relying on this NATURAL force for the last 100 years to collapse buildings. I know its such a NOVEL idea to you, but those in the business have been using this force for years.
The entire meaning of CONTROLLED is to CONTROL the FALL of a building, to minimize risk and DAMAGE to buildings around the collapse building.
GEE, what a nOVEL approach!
how dishonest of you to not put that cnn witness into perspective, and when he "heard" these "concussive blasts" in relation those collapses.
but, the real truth is that most of those "concussive' sounds were the sound of those who FELL to their deaths
and of course the WTC towers had their own backup generators on several floors, so many of the sounds were the generators exploding (from the fires). there are also other reasons why people thought they heard explosions
1. Freefall. You know what freefall is right?
2. Yes they did. Watch video.
3. Yes they were. Watch the video.
4. Yes CD uses gravity, but they also need to destroy the lower supporting elements in order for the collapse to happen. This is what you see with the WTC. The lower supporting elements had to have been destroyed for those towers to collapse straight down.
5. There were many witnesses who claim to have heard consecutive, concussive blasts just before freefall of the towers.
6. Did you know that major media also caught police officers telling people to get back because WTC was going to blow? Watch the video.
7. What about the molten steel and thermite? People never want to answer those.
1. Freefall. You know what freefall is right?
2. Yes they did. Watch video.
3. Yes they were. Watch the video.
4. Yes CD uses gravity, but they also need to destroy the lower supporting elements in order for the collapse to happen. This is what you see with the WTC. The lower supporting elements had to have been destroyed for those towers to collapse straight down.
5. There were many witnesses who claim to have heard consecutive, concussive blasts just before freefall of the towers.
6. Did you know that major media also caught police officers telling people to get back because WTC was going to blow? Watch the video.
7. What about the molten steel and thermite? People never want to answer those.
Oh just SHUT UP - you ignorant "truth" er.
Learn some FACTS!.
The USA was attacked on 9/11 by extremist Muslim terrorists.
I do know what it is. My physics teacher drilled it into us.
There is no such thing as "freefall speed".
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2. Yes they did. Watch video.
No they didn't. Again you show that you don't know what building foot print is. Otherwise, WTC 7, WTC 6, The Verizon Building, St. Nikolas Church, WTC 3, WTC 4, WTC 5, the Millenium Hotel, East River Savings Bank, 90 West Street, Bankers Trust building, One, Two, and Three World financial buildings, would not have been damaged or destroyed.
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3. Yes they were. Watch the video.
No they weren't. which shows that you are just parroting truther lies again. No building, even Controlled Demolition buildings, collapse symmetrically.
4. Yes CD uses gravity, but they also need to destroy the lower supporting elements in order for the collapse to happen. This is what you see with the WTC. The lower supporting elements had to have been destroyed for those towers to collapse straight down.
Seeing as the collapse started at the point of impacts, please show us the explosions happening on the lower levels as the collapse happened.
Oops. because this is an outright lie on your part. The collapse started at the point of impacts. There was no "lower supporting" elements that were destroyed.
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5. There were many witnesses who claim to have heard consecutive, concussive blasts just before freefall of the towers.
there you go, using a word that you don't undrestand.
I've already shown that the "explosions" were from various reasons, and you didn't provide any context to yur 'cnn witness claim" not even a link to his/her exact claim or who he/she was.
Despite your obvious dishonesty, I've posted a link to several witnesses that attributed the "explosions" to the sounds of:
1) bolts tearing off from the steel trusses due to stress
2) generators exploding (each tower had two floors of back up generators)
3) transformers exploding (each building was virtually a mini-city, that had an underground subway that ran under it)
4) bodies falling and hitting the sidewalk, and aluminum awnings.
there are other reasons, but notice that NOT even YOUR witness described it soundling LIKE a controlled demoltion; you know where there are SEVERAL HUNDRED of small explosions in a series. the descriptions of these explosions were all described as being random.
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6. Did you know that major media also caught police officers telling people to get back because WTC was going to blow? Watch the video.
did you know that this an out of context quote USed by truthers?
I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever.
what molten steel? Seeing as there was no molten steel seen, this is a lie by you.
there was no thermite detected. your flawed appeal to authority source, simply found RED PAINT CHIPS and the results of normal CORROSION on a buildng that was over 30 years old.
Oh and if Thermite was used, where is the high traces of BARIUM. Oops. none existed.
Oh and stop flipflopping. Was it a CD or caused by Thermite? It has to be one or the other. (let's see if you know why.. no cheating now, no peaking at your truther sites, because they don't really have an answer)
When it doubt, just believe what you're told, don't ask questions and pay your taxes, like good americans.
1) nope it doesn't. because you can see that the penthouse collapsed into the building first, then the entire structure fell
Let's also show how dishonest you are, since you only show one side of WTC 7. What about the side that heavily damaged (you know having a 17 story gouge right into the side of teh building)
Oh damn, nearly all floors (47 of them) have smoke coming out of WTC 7
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