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Old 09-21-2013, 03:51 AM
 
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I think it was in the spring of 2012 (don't quote me on dates) when President Obama presented a bill for jobs similar to the one FDR (my favorite president, but not a fan of his domestic policies) used during the Great Depression. Congress wouldn't even vote on it. Forget whether or not it was good, why wouldn't they VOTE on it? Isn't that a part of their job?



Why are our congressmen and congresswomen so uncooperative? I thought that when they disagree on something that they were supposed to find a happy-medium. It makes me (a young college student) feel as if they enjoy watching our nation get worse and worse each day.
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:56 AM
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What you're expecting is the way our nation previously operated, the manner by which is became a great nation: People maturely acknowledging that reasonable people disagree with them and thereby recognizing that they need to give up the idea of getting their own way and instead accept that life will be series of compromises.

Republicans are no longer acting like mature, responsible, conscientious representatives of the people's trust. They're acting like spoiled brats. For example: They've tried to reverse the compromise reached on ACA about forty times. They're like the petulant child who insist on replaying the last roll of the dice for a board game, because it keeps on coming up with them not winning. They keep on lying about what ACA involves and doesn't involve. They keep on lying about what the left-wingers actually wanted (free, universal health care) and therefore keep lying about the fact that ACA is already a great compromise. And they keep lying about what they would do with regard to healthcare for those most vulnerable in society without ACA. It's a literal deceitfest with the GOP. And that's just one example.

They've elevated selfishness to an ethic and discarded protection for those most vulnerable in society, a complete reversal of the progression of ethics of our great nation over two centuries. They place the comfort and luxury of some over basic human decency. And more importantly, they've adopted obstructionism as their tool of choice. That's the big change you're noting. By abrogating honorable trusteeship, they can get much of what they want (which, in general, is the failure of government, itself) by obstruction and other scurrilous tactics where they abuse the power they have to cause damage instead of to promote the best interests of the nation.

This may sound like a one-sided view, but I've already indicated how you can tell it is not. ACA is a perfect example. The left-wingers wanted something. They did not get their way... not even close. ACA is so far from what the left-wingers wanted that it shouldn't be surprising to learn that ACA is very much a right-wing proposal. The ACA reflects a model for healthcare originally put forward in the early 1990s by The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think-tank. It is patterned after the system we have here in Massachusetts, introduced by our past Republican governor, former GOP presidential candidate, Mitt Romney. Now the right-wingers refuse to admit, perhaps even to themselves, that ACA was a grand compromise where the left-wing agreed to take the right-wing's approach to the issue. It wasn't even a compromise - it was the left-wing essentially letting the right-wing say how things were going to be, as long as the right-wing took some action to resolve the problems outlined. And yet they have tried about forty times to repeal it.

Spoiled children - that's precisely how right-wingers are acting. And that's why our Members of Congress are so "uncooperative" with each other - because half of them have publicly forsworn compromise.

And I'm sure you'll see very clear demonstration of right-wing refusal to act honorably in pursue of the common good in the messages that follow this one. I can already see that some of the usual suspects have weighed in.

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Old 09-21-2013, 03:59 AM
 
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We conservatives didn't elect people so that they can go along with obamas every whim.

You have to realize that Obama is an amateur who has one belief and that is "social justice".

Besides....spending bills start in congress and go up to the president, not the other way around.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:00 AM
 
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What you're expecting is the way our nation previously operated, the manner by which is became a great nation: People maturely acknowledging that reasonable people disagree with them and thereby recognizing that they need to give up the idea of getting their own way and instead accept that life will be series of compromises.

Republicans are no longer acting like mature, responsible, conscientious representatives of the people's trust. They're acting like spoiled brats. They've tried to reverse the compromise reached on PPACA about forty times. They're like the petulant child who insist on replaying the last roll of the dice for a board game, because it keeps on coming up with them not winning.
And here we go posters, why its impossible to discuss crap with Demcorats..

THERE IS NO COMPROMISE on Obamacare, and one cant negotiate with people who believe crap exists that doesnt, while they want to whine and call names while displaying their own lack of maturity.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:01 AM
 
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We conservatives didn't elect people so that they can go along with obamas every whim.

You have to realize that Obama is an amateur who has one belief and that is "social justice".

Besides....spending bills start in congress and go up to the president, not the other way around.
Exactly, every President has had to deal with Congress, and most of them dealt with Congresses that were of the opposition party.. Democrats want to whine and cry, stomp their feet acting like little babies because Obama is uncapable of doing his job...

Well dont blame Republicans, they voted for the fool...
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:02 AM
 
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What you're expecting is the way our nation previously operated, the manner by which is became a great nation: People maturely acknowledging that reasonable people disagree with them and thereby recognizing that they need to give up the idea of getting their own way and instead accept that life will be series of compromises.

Republicans are no longer acting like mature, responsible, conscientious representatives of the people's trust. They're acting like spoiled brats. They've tried to reverse the compromise reached on PPACA about forty times. They're like the petulant child who insist on replaying the last roll of the dice for a board game, because it keeps on coming up with them not winning.
Our nation used to do things according to the constitutionality of the act.

In this respect, the new breed of conservative are very much more mature than the dems.

I only wish that these guys were in the senate when Bush was president.....his spending would have been curtailed substantially.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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Exactly, every President has had to deal with Congress, and most of them dealt with Congresses that were of the opposition party.. Democrats want to whine and cry, stomp their feet acting like little babies because Obama is uncapable of doing his job...

Well dont blame Republicans, they voted for the fool...
Lefties have this belief that Obama is so great and wonderful, how on earth can anyone be against his policies?

Oh, they must be racists!
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:08 AM
 
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Our nation used to do things according to the constitutionality of the act.

In this respect, the new breed of conservative are very much more mature than the dems.

I only wish that these guys were in the senate when Bush was president.....his spending would have been curtailed substantially.
Maybe if the Democrats had cooperated on regulating the finance industry, by raising the equity rations and limiting overnight borrowing like Bush wanted to do in the early 2000's, we wouldnt have had an economic collapse.

nope, cant do that.. Its only Republicans who are expected to cooperate...

dam hypocrites..
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:10 AM
 
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Exactly, every President has had to deal with Congress, and most of them dealt with Congresses that were of the opposition party.. Democrats want to whine and cry, stomp their feet acting like little babies because Obama is uncapable of doing his job...

Well dont blame Republicans, they voted for the fool...
How can he do his job when you right-wingers saying things like "We're going to make sure he's a one-term president"? From the get-go, they weren't willing to cooperate.
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Old 09-21-2013, 04:12 AM
 
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How can he do his job when you right-wingers saying things like "We're going to make sure he's a one-term president"? From the get-go, they weren't willing to cooperate.
Obamas first term he got everything he wanted, and look at the failure we have as the outcome. Why would you want to renew failure? Thats like suggesting Bernie Maddoff should be released from jail to run the Social Security administration..

Tell me how right wingers saying "We're going to make sure he's a one-term president", equates to him failing, because i"m pretty sure every other President has had the opposition only want them to serve 1 term..

Translation OBAMA IS NO DIFFERENT, but whiny ass liberals all expect him to be treated special.. Why?
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