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Old 09-21-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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Even with the "Bumps on the road" to a more just society, the average person in the country lives immeasurably better than the people did in the past.
I don;t know the history of Venzulea but I can assume that corruption was the factor there? What happens as the state run oil agency continues to be mismanaged, continues to accrue debt and that oil money dries up?

In the meantime I have a present for you, you want it Fedex or UPS?

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Old 09-21-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Not many people aspire their country turn into a model after Venezuela.
That everyone be poor and dependent on the government to provide the bare essentials in weekly spurts ?
You wish that on your own country or just the US ?
Venezuela is a state in transition. It's not applicable to our countries. It is moving from basically a feudal system into a social democracy. It has been shown time after time that this transition can not be accomplished while pandering to the feudal lords who have ruled the roost forever. It is one of the biggest problems in the evolution of a modern social state out of a feudal style and usually military controlled state. Many times the degree of change is so severe that it provokes a counter revolution that brings the old repressive regime back to power. In many cases outside powers are right in there fomenting trouble, AKA, the USA. The case of republican Spain, the Spanish civil war, the establishment of a military dictatorship and the return to a social democracy is a good example and follows a pattern. The entire cycle took something like 60 years.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Venezuela is a state in transition. It's not applicable to our countries. It is moving from basically a feudal system into a social democracy. It has been shown time after time that this transition can not be accomplished while pandering to the feudal lords who have ruled the roost forever. It is one of the biggest problems in the evolution of a modern social state out of a feudal style and usually military controlled state. Many times the degree of change is so severe that it provokes a counter revolution that brings the old repressive regime back to power. In many cases outside powers are right in there fomenting trouble, AKA, the USA. The case of republican Spain, the Spanish civil war, the establishment of a military dictatorship and the return to a social democracy is a good example and follows a pattern. The entire cycle took something like 60 years.
Venezuela is killing themselves with price ceilings and forced production at a loss.
Investors are pulling out as the country's debt soars.
They were moved to a B rating this past summer and inflation is near 40%.

Some Utopia.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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Investors are pulling out as the country's debt soars.
...and there isn't going to be an oil company in the world willing to put any money into that country.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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...and there isn't going to be an oil company in the world willing to put any money into that country.
The risks are too high.
The government mandates don't take any economics into play here.
The government is on a social justice path.
And as I just posted, the government will take over and mandate production at a loss for these social "rights".

60% of their budget goes towards social programs.
While they feed and educate more people the number of poor has grown and the number of rich has declined since Chavez first took office and made his sweeping reform changes.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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I hope they put Chavez's face with tongue stickin out on all rolls..
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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Well, I guess you would just have to ask the people of that country if they would like to return to the to the laissez- faire system of the past. They most certainly wouldn't and they won't. A few bumps on the road to a more just society will not deter a social revolution that aims to make the people sovereign, not the corporations.
LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Free enterprise prevents shortages.

No managed economy (run by the government) does NOT have chronic shortages.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Venezuela is a state in transition. It's not applicable to our countries. It is moving from basically a feudal system into a social democracy. It has been shown time after time that this transition can not be accomplished while pandering to the feudal lords who have ruled the roost forever. It is one of the biggest problems in the evolution of a modern social state out of a feudal style and usually military controlled state. Many times the degree of change is so severe that it provokes a counter revolution that brings the old repressive regime back to power. In many cases outside powers are right in there fomenting trouble, AKA, the USA. The case of republican Spain, the Spanish civil war, the establishment of a military dictatorship and the return to a social democracy is a good example and follows a pattern. The entire cycle took something like 60 years.
LOL, forcing "social democracy" on people doesn't work quickly... You have to kill off any thinking person first.

These are not "bumps in the road", they ARE the essence of what you worship.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Free enterprise prevents shortages.

No managed economy (run by the government) does NOT have chronic shortages.
In all of the supply managed sectors of the Canadian economy we have SURPLUSES. In fact if the supply management was to stop it would lead to such surpluses causing price collapse and the bankrupting of the producers. Your statement is bunk!
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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In all of the supply managed sectors of the Canadian economy we have SURPLUSES. In fact if the supply management was to stop it would lead to such surpluses causing price collapse and the bankrupting of the producers. Your statement is bunk!
That's one of the funniest bits of nonsense, ever.

No government has EVER managed to run an economy without it going straight into the toilet.
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