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Old 09-23-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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What do Jewish-Americans have to do with Israel?
Amen... it's like asking why Ireland isn't a super power. Or how about El Salvador? Salvadorans are doing very well in America, so why isn't El Salvador a G8 country?

Politics and resources trump genetics people!

 
Old 09-23-2013, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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What do Jewish-Americans have to do with Israel?
Well, the premise of the OP is that the success of Jews in America has to do with inborn superiority that thus must be shared with their cousins in Israel. If Jews are inherently superior, why isn't Israel more powerful?

My belief, in contrast, is that certain cultural values combined with opportunities that are available in America contributed to the success of many American Jews. That said, the vast majority of Jews in America are regular middle class folks with the same struggles as the mainstream population and that they are not some sort of persecuted ubermensch.
 
Old 09-23-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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No doubt many Jews are successful, but not all. That's a bit of a stereotype.

Anyway as for Israel, it's a very small nation only focused on defense. It doesn't have the power to expand nor does it want to, just wants to be acknowledge by Arab countries and live in peace.

Also the Jewish community is very divided. There are many Jews who are extremely liberal, often these Jews are atheists. They are also self hating Jews who despise their own people and hate Israel too.

The sad, cold hard truth is that liberals only like Jews as long as their victims. Once they started standing up for themselves the liberals got mad.
The ignorance seething from that post is...
 
Old 09-23-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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The ignorance seething from that post is...
This whole thread is a total fail.
 
Old 09-23-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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This whole thread is a total fail.
Politics and Other Controversies section is certainly at a new low in general today... If that was possible...
 
Old 09-23-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Politics and Other Controversies section is certainly at a new low in general today... If that was possible...
I agree...I get sick of all the liberal-baiting threads. I see some baiting conservatives, but I think the ratio is probably 80% to 20% liberal-baiting vs conservative-baiting, with race-baiting and religion-baiting thrown in for good measure.
 
Old 09-23-2013, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Happy wherever I am - Florida now
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I've known some successful jews who came here after the holocaust. Their motivation was a combination of making up for those who had lost their lives or potential due to deadly persecution and to prove that they were worthwhile in striving to improve the world somehow. A little extra incentive as it were. I suspect this may be the case in other times too. The tendency to specialize in portable professional education and careers doesn't hurt either.

Israel is on the forefront of innovation in medicine, technology, and computers. Right up there with other world leaders. You could say they were a super power in those fields. The weighty responsibility of necessary defense and relocation assistance to brethren who are in jeopardy worldwide is a drain on their economy. As for jews concentration in finance, you tend to hone those skills when that is the only job you're allowed for ions. The media and entertainment, looked down on previously by society, and also portable.
 
Old 09-23-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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I'm halfway through a book that was published in Germany, in 1925, that touches on that subject and beliefs, among others.
lol, wut?
 
Old 09-23-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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So do you think there is a Jewish takeover.....?

You sound rather frightening IMO and anti-Semitic and if that was not your intention, you come across that way as it reminds me of Nazi's and their reasons for enslaving Jews during WW2.
Sometimes you have to look at things objectively. There are things that you may not like to hear but that doesn't mean that they can't be true or that they should just be dismissed as "anti-Semitism".
 
Old 09-28-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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In American, Jewish people are by far the most successful group of people. Most of the richest people in American are Jewish, despite representing only a small portion of the population. They hold most of the highest positions in media/entertainment industries and finance. So why isn't Israel more of a superpower? Even for their size, why isn't their GDP per person higher in Israel?

Because GDP doesn't just happen magically. It takes time and development to build. Israel is a tiny state that began in 1948. It's GDP will never be more than a flyspeck compared to the EU or USA anyway. Expansion of the money supply is a component. But, you can't just expand the money supply in a nation that size as easily as you can in a huge nation like the US.

If I had to guess - and I really don't have to, because I have paid subscription access to some of the finest economic and financial websites on the web - I would say Israel will probably never have a really high GDP. Unless they miraculously tap into a huge reservoir of some rare metal or gas that the rest of the world can't do without.
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