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Old 09-22-2013, 09:11 PM
 
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The more education one has the lower the tendency to vote Republican. I don't doubt that there are datasets skewing the data. I mean, the more educated earn more and higher earners vote Republican, but we have a divergence in voting patterns. Dr's and university profs lean left, the military and lesser educated lean right, but higher income earners lean right. Strange I know, but this is the data we have.

Even if we look at white people, whom are not beholden to any party, we see the same thing.
So essentially if we don't correct for income, more education is associated with voting Republican to a point (college completion) whereas if we do correct for income, then education is correlated with voting Democratic. Makes sense. I'd be interested to see how each of those relationships hold if instead of looking at party identification or voting we could instead narrow down to fiscal and social liberalism/conservatism -- would not be surprised to see the income effect linked up with fiscal conservatism and the educational effect linked up with social liberalism.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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I think that it is about time to change rules of the game so that a person's vote really counts...

If you vote Republican and the representative you helped get elected votes to defund a program that you genuinely rely upon, even if that bill is vetoed or outvoted, you still lose your personal funding from the program just because that is the representative that you voted for. Suffer the consequences of your vote by having your vote really count...too damn bad.
Sure, and if you vote for someone who votes for tax increases and terrible healthcare bills, you get your taxes raised and you have to go on Obamacare. The rest of us get left alone. Sounds great to me.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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Farm subsidies: A welfare program for agribusiness
It's one of the most widely reviled federal programs. So why is Congress fighting to save farm subsidies
?

Why not kill subsidies altogether?

Politics. The farm lobby has immense power in Washington, thanks to its generous contributions to congressional campaigns and political parties, and to the large number of legislators from farm states — most of them Republican. Democrats have also traditionally supported the farm bill because it contains food stamp funding. This year, that partnership broke down, when House Republicans passed a version of the farm bill that strips the legislation of its food stamp provisions for the first time since 1973. President Obama responded by threatening to veto any legislation that doesn't include food stamp funding. At the moment, the situation is at a stalemate.

Farm subsidies: A welfare program for agribusiness - The Week
I won't argue that, but the Dems play just as much a role in it.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:21 PM
 
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The Tea Party is in large part made up of people who are on government handouts. Take a look at the Red States. They are farmers and senior citizens and the the brainwashed who didn't graduate from high school. I live in a town where there are 8 high school dropouts for every college graduate. The town always votes Republican. The town is one giant gubbermint handout from SS down to disabilities. Half the town has Snap, Schip, and Medicaid. The other half has Medicare. Nobody pays taxes in this town except a few people who vote Democrat. I wish there was a way that those who complain about big gubbermint could by cut off from aid. When you look at a welfare recipient you are looking at a Republican.
BOTH parties are!
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:27 PM
 
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So essentially if we don't correct for income, more education is associated with voting Republican to a point (college completion) whereas if we do correct for income, then education is correlated with voting Democratic. Makes sense. I'd be interested to see how each of those relationships hold if instead of looking at party identification or voting we could instead narrow down to fiscal and social liberalism/conservatism -- would not be surprised to see the income effect linked up with fiscal conservatism and the educational effect linked up with social liberalism.
Not quite. More income is associated with voting for Republicans and more education is associated with voting for Democrats. Teachers tend to support Dems more often than not as do doctors and Asians. I would not draw any type of inference from the data though. I mean, it's obvious that the data is skewed by one group or another considering that higher education is also correlated with higher income.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:24 PM
 
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I'm much more inclined to support subsidizing people who are productive and create food for people than people who sit back and let someone else produce for them.
"Much more inclined?"

Still punking out and refusing to take a position, huh?

Are you for FOR these subsidies or not?
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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The F/S program was never designed to be this big. It's unsustainable with all our current expenditures.
Eh hem, some of those other " current expenditures" is right!
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:33 PM
 
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The farm aid thing was never meant to give handouts to huge corporate farmers and wealthy landowners, either.
Thank you.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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I won't argue that, but the Dems play just as much a role in it.
No Democrats voted for the bill, and 15 Republicans voted against GOP leaders.
House votes to cut food stamps by $39 billion - The Hill's Floor Action

Kudos to the republicans that voted against it, but please explain how the democrats played a role.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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BOTH parties are!
Both paries are what?
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