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and they campaigned on it. So while I'm not sold on ACA, it was an idea that was vetted by the majority of Americans who voted in 60 Democratic Senators, a Democratic House, plus a Dem POTUS running on an NHC platform.
That is how Democracy is supposed to work. The party that wins hopefully enacts the agenda they ran on. That is what happened. Their is no such thing in America as minority rule.
History is a pretty good subject. You might want to read up on it.
1) Our form of government is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic.
2) The reason it was set up as a constitutional republic was so that the minority wouldn't be subjugated by the majority.
As a side note, if NHC had been the only issue on the table your idea that that the ACA had been "vetted" due to the results of the elections might bear some weight. However, I haven't heard many say that they voted for Obama and the Democrats because of their views on NHC. The few that have stated this usually follow it up with "this isn't what I had in mind, though." In fact, the majority of people I've talked to who voted for Obama claim to have done so due to his social policies, not because of NHC or his economic views.
1) Our form of government is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic.
2) The reason it was set up as a constitutional republic was so that the minority wouldn't be subjugated by the majority.
True, but it is a system with democratic institutions in place mandated by the constitution. Most leaders - the president, the senator, the congressperson, the state governor, state legislators, many of our judges - are elected by a majority of the voters in a democratic process. Some of our government leadership are not, however, democratically elected: Supreme Court justices, the chairman of the Fed, are two examples.
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), the People's Republic of China, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and many other totalitarian and/or communistic regimes are also constitutional republics ... but without democratic institutions.
Once this gets rolling and people who have been denied coverage for years suddenly have affordable options with none of the dire predictions coming true, it will become apparent just how thoroughly the GOP has doomed itself. It will be interesting to see how hard they push for repeal during the 2014 campaign, as that would mean taking insurance away from people who now have it--truly a losing political prospect.
If the GOP was smart, knowing they can't stop it, they would garner some goodwill by working to address some of the glitches to make it run more smoothly. But alas, the GOP has proven it isn't all that smart. I have no doubt the Tea Party will egg them on to political suicide by continuing the drumbeat of repeal, repeal, repeal. And unless the adults in the GOP get over their terror of this minority group and actually step up to lead, they march on to their own doom.
What Republicans are doing now is one of the most disgusting things I've ever witness in politics, and it has nothing to do with whether or not you like Obamacare. Every decent, Constitution-loving American should be concerned about what they are doing.
Like it or not, Obamacare is the law of the land. It was passed through the legislative and executive process, and it was reviewed by the judicial process and upheld. Those are all three branches of the government involved, folks, as per design. You may not like it, but it passed fair and square, and it's legal.
Don't like it? There is a simple solution: win an election, take control of the Presidency and Senate, pass a bill repealing Obamacare through the House and Senate, get the President to sign it.
There. See how that works, conservatives? It's in that there Constitution to which you like to pay so much lip service.
Guess what's NOT in there, though? Threatening to extort America's credit rating, stock market performance, and near-term economic health because you're all butt hurt that you didn't get your way.
And if the American public is so overwhelmingly in your court, Republicans, THEN WHY DID YOU LOSE THE RE-ELECTION?
If Republicans and conservatives love the Constitution and are so sure that they have the public support, then they should actually abide by the document and put their money where their mouths are: win the election in 2014, get super-majority in House and Senate, and then deal with Obamacare appropriately through the process that has worked here for over 200 years. Like it or not, that's how it's supposed to work.
Given that they've decided to skip all that and just resort instead to political / economic terrorism, what does that tell about what they think of their chances (and of the good of the nation)?
ok if Obamacare is the law of the land let me know why the president can decide who doesn't have to use it, delay it to his business buddies and unions. If a law is in effect and WRITTEN one way the president just can't over turn and delay and rewrite the law he signed. So its ready for the millions of people who are uninsured yet the businesses don't need to comply? So a few republicans know we have a budget crisis and see the president is ignoring the law he signed and the new healthcare law puts the budget numbers WAY over the estimated price. Should Obama just write the law he sees fit later as well and the congress which holds the funding and budget just go along with a rogue law that seems to change at the presidents will. I see nothing wrong in delaying the funding and at the same time showing the American people what this law really is. By the way just because a law passed doesn't mean the American people really know what the law says because the congress is to busy not reading it themselves.
ok if Obamacare is the law of the land let me know why the president can decide who doesn't have to use it, delay it to his business buddies and unions. If a law is in effect and WRITTEN one way the president just can't over turn and delay and rewrite the law he signed. So its ready for the millions of people who are uninsured yet the businesses don't need to comply? So a few republicans know we have a budget crisis and see the president is ignoring the law he signed and the new healthcare law puts the budget numbers WAY over the estimated price. Should Obama just write the law he sees fit later as well and the congress which holds the funding and budget just go along with a rogue law that seems to change at the presidents will. I see nothing wrong in delaying the funding and at the same time showing the American people what this law really is. By the way just because a law passed doesn't mean the American people really know what the law says because the congress is to busy not reading it themselves.
I'm afraid our liberal friends feel that laws do not apply to them or their leaders. It's that simple. They love tyranny, which is exactly what King Obama is giving them.
History is a pretty good subject. You might want to read up on it.
1) Our form of government is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic.
2) The reason it was set up as a constitutional republic was so that the minority wouldn't be subjugated by the majority.
As a side note, if NHC had been the only issue on the table your idea that that the ACA had been "vetted" due to the results of the elections might bear some weight. However, I haven't heard many say that they voted for Obama and the Democrats because of their views on NHC. The few that have stated this usually follow it up with "this isn't what I had in mind, though." In fact, the majority of people I've talked to who voted for Obama claim to have done so due to his social policies, not because of NHC or his economic views.
OK, so Obamacare sucks. This is not an excuse for anybody in either party to go for a dead-end like "defunding," a total nonstarter since what we had has been toasted by the ACA and we need something in place while we work on the problems. The fact is, what we had before sucked, too.
Cruz and his allies and the hardcore teaparty members of the House are behaving in a reprehensible fashion, one that will cost us all in economic troubles. And we are finding out which senators are bought and paid-for hard right wing nut jobs. The farmers, ranchers, small business owners, self-employed and professionals who rely on the individual health insurance market are getting tossed under the bus by Cruz et al. This 8% slice of the public, mostly Republican I would guess, will have no other alternative except the ACA marketplaces after January 1.
What has the Tea Party done for you? Right now they are trying to destroy the only place I can buy insurance after January 1, and knocking a few thousand bucks off my 401(k) balance, too, with their default nonsense.
Nearly forty years of Republican party registration is about to come to an end, as is decades of financial support for Republican candidates. History will judge whether they jumped the shark or screwed the pooch in 2013, but it will be one or the other.
Get with the program! Do your best to fix what's broken, and stop expecting us to believe that a unicorn will soon bring back the glory days of health care.
I know lots of people who dont have car insurance..
tell me, did the car insurance law, mandate that if you work over x number of hours, you had to pay extra?
And they will pay for it if they get caught, especially if you tell me that after you cause an accident with me or many of my friends, pay up one way or the other Must be hard to get their cars registration renewed and cars inpected without it here in Txas you can do neither.
Nope nor does any other law except the IRS sliding scale rules.
It is academic. Enough Republican Senators have acted responsibly and voted with the Democrats, so the bill will go forward in the Senate with only a majority vote necessary to restore the necessary funding that the puerile Republicans in the House tried to leave out.
It is academic. Enough Republican Senators have acted responsibly and voted with the Democrats, so the bill will go forward in the Senate with only a majority vote necessary to restore the necessary funding that the puerile Republicans in the House tried to leave out.
But not to worry, Tea Partiers, your god (definitely a small "g" minor god), Ted Cruz, has put himself firmly in charge of the House now, so there is little hope of a clean funding bill passing that chamber.
"On a Thursday conference call, a group of House conservatives consulted with Senator Ted Cruz of Texas about how to respond to the leadership’s fiscal strategy. Sources who were on the call say Cruz strongly advised them to oppose it, and hours later, Speaker John Boehner’s plan fizzled.
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Later Thursday, Cruz met again with House conservatives at a venue near the Capitol. According to one House member, the bicameral bloc talked deep into the night about the CR and how to pressure Boehner. At the top of the agenda: making a one-year delay of Obamacare a requirement for government funding, and to accept nothing less, should the defunding effort continue to unravel. "
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