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By the way, I'm very impressed by some of the posters in this thread, in particular Poptech, who's been supplying us enough articles, reports and sources of qualified criticism of the "Man-Made Global Warming"-theory for us to last forever. Keep it up!
Of course, but it sure is serving as a good way to brainwash (or "educate", call it what you want) people into fear, whether Global Warming is caused by us or not. I've seen it myself and all I can say is - a quite decent movie, but it is indeed exaggerated.
Not sure how you "debunk" a science fiction film. Did someone also debunk Star Wars? Or is the Death Star really out there?
Sure the movie was grossly related to the global warming agenda, and I thought it was flat out ridiculous how much they tried to tie the political aspects to current events. But even at that, its a fiction film, which makes it impossible to debunk unless they ran statements before or after the film presented as facts to the viewers. Then it would be fine to shred away.
Gore and the rabid eco-freaks that worship at his feet. Haven't you been paying attention?
I haven't seen anybody that claims that humans are the sole cause of global warming as you stated. Could you provide your source?
What they are claiming that humans do play a significant role.
Poptech claims that all the scientists at IPCC and most of the other major scientific organizations are being alarmist because that is what they believe...like Evangelists believing something, I think was his example.
But they back up their beliefs with scientific research. That is the difference. Sure there is room for discussion and debate, that is the beauty of science. Forget your personal hatred of Al Gore and the United Nations and Hollywood. Let that go.
How/Why do you justify your position that all the scientists with legitimate scientific research pointing to humans playing a role in global warming are "eco- freak alarmists", while any scientist that contends it is conversely the voice of rationality and reason? That is just being biased for political reasons. Show me a single politician from any country anywhere in the world that is deliberately trying to increase the eco-alarmism. Give one example. Even the Bush Administration calls the IPCC report "sound science" and acknowledges humans are playing a role in global warming. Is the Bush administration now contributing to the alarmism?
Maybe Kyoto does not have all the answers. But is to just do nothing the only alternative?
I haven't seen anybody that claims that humans are the sole cause of global warming as you stated. Could you provide your source?
What they are claiming that humans do play a significant role.
Poptech claims that all the scientists at IPCC and most of the other major scientific organizations are being alarmist because that is what they believe...like Evangelists believing something, I think was his example.
But they back up their beliefs with scientific research. That is the difference. Sure there is room for discussion and debate, that is the beauty of science. Forget your personal hatred of Al Gore and the United Nations and Hollywood. Let that go.
How/Why do you justify your position that all the scientists with legitimate scientific research pointing to humans playing a role in global warming are "eco- freak alarmists", while any scientist that contends it is conversely the voice of rationality and reason? That is just being biased for political reasons. Show me a single politician from any country anywhere in the world that is deliberately trying to increase the eco-alarmism. Give one example. Even the Bush Administration calls the IPCC report "sound science" and acknowledges humans are playing a role in global warming. Is the Bush administration now contributing to the alarmism?
Maybe Kyoto does not have all the answers. But is to just do nothing the only alternative?
The best thing we could do would be to prevail upon Brazil to stop denuding the rain forest. But since that's not Bush's fault, we'll just forget about it.
Good news! Looks like Brazil is getting onboard as well. Like the US, their government is also dragging its feet, but the increasing consensus on global warming and public concern is causing change there.
Brazil remains suspicious of foreign involvement in its management of the Amazon, which it views as a domestic matter. But negotiators and others who monitor international climate talks say Brazil is now willing to discuss issues that until recently it considered off the table, including market-based programs to curb the carbon emissions that result from massive deforestation in the Amazon, in which areas the size of New Jersey or larger are razed each year.
“I think things have advanced, certainly, compared to three years ago, when the government simply refused to discuss deforestation in international forums,” said Márcio Santilli, a former government official who helped start the Socio-Environmental Institute, an environmental group in BrasÃlia. “There has been a change of posture which reflects the worries of Brazilian public opinion on this issue, which in turn puts pressure on politicians.”
In the absence of a clear direction at the federal level, governors of some Amazon states are moving on their own. In June, Eduardo Braga, governor of Amazonas, announced a new climate change law, the first in Brazil, that allowed compensation for “environmental services,” including payments to farmers and river dwellers for avoiding deforestation.
“This action would have raised big questions and objections just four months ago, but there’s been a big turnabout,” Mr. Braga said.
Mr. Braga’s initiative is especially important because his state, the biggest in Brazil, has largely avoided the devastation occurring in neighboring states to the east and south.
Good news! Looks like Brazil is getting onboard as well. Like the US, their government is also dragging its feet, but the increasing consensus on global warming and public concern is causing change there.
Brazil remains suspicious of foreign involvement in its management of the Amazon, which it views as a domestic matter. But negotiators and others who monitor international climate talks say Brazil is now willing to discuss issues that until recently it considered off the table, including market-based programs to curb the carbon emissions that result from massive deforestation in the Amazon, in which areas the size of New Jersey or larger are razed each year.
“I think things have advanced, certainly, compared to three years ago, when the government simply refused to discuss deforestation in international forums,” said Márcio Santilli, a former government official who helped start the Socio-Environmental Institute, an environmental group in BrasÃlia. “There has been a change of posture which reflects the worries of Brazilian public opinion on this issue, which in turn puts pressure on politicians.”
In the absence of a clear direction at the federal level, governors of some Amazon states are moving on their own. In June, Eduardo Braga, governor of Amazonas, announced a new climate change law, the first in Brazil, that allowed compensation for “environmental services,” including payments to farmers and river dwellers for avoiding deforestation.
“This action would have raised big questions and objections just four months ago, but there’s been a big turnabout,” Mr. Braga said.
Mr. Braga’s initiative is especially important because his state, the biggest in Brazil, has largely avoided the devastation occurring in neighboring states to the east and south.
Brazil is "suspicious", but not to the extent that she becomes reluctant to cash the checks she receives.
Come back when some action is actually taken. Until then, expect "the world's lungs" (the rain forest) to continue to shrink alarmingly.
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