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Old 09-26-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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France doesn't have a 40 hour work week. It's worked well for them for a very long time. Humans are not slaves to their jobs. Americans are on the most psychiatric medications on Earth. With long work hours, coupled with few vacation days, I wonder why it's about working smart, not hard. Only fools work hard without getting results (I call it inefficiency)

Many French can only dream of 35-hour work week, report shows | Reuters


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"This is the problem of France. It's cut in half. Half the French are working like madmen to make up for the other half who stick to their hours," said Gerard Dussillol, an investment adviser and author of a 2012 book on France's economy.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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When obamacare was passed pelosi said in 2010: "We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said in May 2010. “A bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.”

Now Pelosi says the same thing about the 40 hour week created by obamacare. You think she knew what was coming with regard to a 30hr week?

Same marketing scheme, just fill in the blanks. She knew what was in it but wanted the 'children' to unwrap their present.
What many liberals do not realize is it is not going from a 40hr work week to 30hr, it is going from 40hr to 60hr because to afford the mandate people will need to get two part time jobs.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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It's not dictating, it's called law. By your analogy of LAW, government shouldn't be DICTATING that you wear a seat belt when driving. Turn dictating into DEFINITION OF THE LAW.

As a matter of fact, I do have faith in fellow American citizens, probably more than any conservative has using the forum.
I think you know very well what he means. Laws are meant to protect people from criminals, not to dictate how to live ones life. If you don't get this, then you have no concept of the difference between a free society and socialism/communism, were peoples lives are dictated by big brother. If we let this kind of crap happen then we will end up like France and the rest of the EU, a bunch of lazy slugs sucking off of the government. See what you think of this letter to France from the CEO of Titan international. He is right and no company in their right mind will open in France and many are trying to move.
U.S. CEO Goes Off on France
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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When the ACT goes into effect, and several years pass, and it ends up being successful, will conservatives still say it was a bad thing? I believe so.
Well, the affordable care act is a massive pile of crap. And everyone knows it.

That is coming from someone who isn't exactly opposed to a universal healthcare system. But the only universal healthcare system that works, is a single-payer. Period.

The reason we have so much healthcare inflation, is because we can't control costs. The ACT does not control costs, so it cannot fight healthcare inflation.

The reason it can't control costs, is because it is trying to offer the same product that already exists in the market. And even worse, it is going to try to that same level of care to millions more people who currently don't have it, by taxing or driving up the costs for everyone who either already has insurance, or doesn't want insurance.

The truth is, the only way the ACT can control costs, is to provide service far below what is currently available on the market. This is the case in other countries which have single-payer systems. Which keep down costs, by effectively increasing lines for certain services, especially expensive services, like MRI's(the United States has four times as many MRI machines as the UK per-capita).

The French go a step further, they mask their healthcare costs by not requiring doctors to pay income tax. So it gives the appearance of lower costs. When in reality, the costs are the same.



The truth is, the ACT was always intended to be a pathway to a single-payer. It will drive up costs, and the only way to respond will be for the government to tax private insurance(Cadillac plans) or individuals(the mandate) at such a high level, that no one will be able to afford anything other than paying into Obamacare. Forcing everyone onto the government plan, where people will eventually feel that since everyone is already forced onto the government plan, they might as well just let the government completely take over the entire healthcare system. Then at least it can control costs.



To believe that the government can provide as high a quality of service as what is available on the market, expand it for basically free to millions of more people, and at no additional cost. Is simply delusional.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:23 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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All of a sudden 40 hours is too much for Americans.
And since Americans are too stupid to fend for themselves about their working hours we have the government coming in and mandating it for them.
Too broad of a brush there.

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Yeah..cardboard boxes under highway overpasses.
Please, I'm not trying to be rude to you, but you need to get out more often, there are people living in those types of situations, more and more are sleeping in their cars and campers, some even opt for tents-climate and weather conditions permitting.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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France doesn't have a 40 hour work week. It's worked well for them for a very long time. Humans are not slaves to their jobs. Americans are on the most psychiatric medications on Earth. With long work hours, coupled with few vacation days, I wonder why it's about working smart, not hard. Only fools work hard without getting results (I call it inefficiency)
Lots of things are NOT working so well in France right now. The work/life balance is part of the problem. Unemployment is high and rising. Social service costs are high and rising. Tax revenue is flat or falling.

No foreign company wants to open any factories or businesses in France because of over protective labor laws. (see Goodyear tire story).
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Too broad of a brush there.


Please, I'm not trying to be rude to you, but you need to get out more often, there are people living in those types of situations, more and more are sleeping in their cars and campers, some even opt for tents-climate and weather conditions permitting.
And it will only get worse as paychecks shrink while costs go up.
You think otherwise ?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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I think you know very well what he means. Laws are meant to protect people from criminals, not to dictate how to live ones life. If you don't get this, then you have no concept of the difference between a free society and socialism/communism, were peoples lives are dictated by big brother. If we let this kind of crap happen then we will end up like France and the rest of the EU, a bunch of lazy slugs sucking off of the government. See what you think of this letter to France from the CEO of Titan international. He is right and no company in their right mind will open in France and many are trying to move.
U.S. CEO Goes Off on France
Please, spare me the bull feces.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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No, not really.




Who says everyone is going to be working 29 hours a week? Is this more the
sky is falling bull you guys always trot out? They could always get a second
job, or use their spare time to, what is it you guys always say? Oh, right, get
more skills!
Bit of a reality check for you liberals.

You are taking a statement by Pelosi seriously?

If you were to actually think it trough it would mean that many would wind up taking a second job, as you suggest, and wind up working 58 hours a week, or at least more than 40 hours a week. How exactly is that what you consider better?

Or if a second job is not available it further creates a dependent class, something Nanny Pelosi has long desired. More classism by the democratic wannabe masters of the country.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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What exactly is inaccurate about this? Who dictated we should be required to work 40 hours a week? Many European countries don't, and they have much higher quality of living.
You had better read some of the articles on this forum about Frances 35 hr work week, it ain't workin out so well.
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