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Old 09-29-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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The world? How about the US? Since we're already $119T in debt..

Viable Opposition: The Hidden American $100 Trillion Debt Problem

Unless of course you're willing to suggest that Social Security has no obligation to repay individuals, (which it legally doesnt), but you tell that to the voters..
Then you already know that we will have and need over $100T of National Debt at some point of time!
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Then you already know that we will have and need over $100T of National Debt at some point of time!
So according to you, every family of 4 in america, needs to be $1.6 MILLION dollars in debt...

why?
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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All of those items, with the exception of tax deductions, is welfare..

YOU KEEPING YOUR MONEY isnt welfare..

The only way one could claim that it is, is if you believe all money is the governments..
Many believe that some forms of tax advantages, deductions, credits and loop holes to be essentially welfare for the rich. Any Federal tax is too much Federal tax IMO.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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So according to you, every family of 4 in america, needs to be $1.6 MILLION dollars in debt...

why?
By our laws any family of 4 pays its yearly decreed and set taxes to cancel that much National Debt and no more.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:17 PM
 
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Only if the world needs $100T to run their economies and satisfy their savings needs.
Really, I think you simply have no idea what you're discussing, and have read someone's theory on the topic, and are just repeating it.

There is no need for a 100 trillion government debt, ever.

There's really no need for any government debt, at all.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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To believe there is no multiplier effect you would have to believe that anyone so employed by a stimulus project never pays a bill they other wise wouldn't have because they were unemployed, that they never purchase anything of any sort, and that they never buy a service of any kind. Just like you'd have to believe that the road built never ever, ever facilitaties commerce of any kind.

In short, there is a reason why every economist which actually works as an economist (instead of a paid liar for some spurious political hack group) confirms that there is indeed a multiplier effect. People who gain jobs do indeed spend the money they earn thus increasing economic activity. It's just a fact even if some dullard starts a thread attempting to deny established economic facts.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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I never said that it would not affect the future value of our money.
So, stealing the value of existing money is good for the economy?

This, like all the rest of what you're saying has just wandered off into total fantasyland.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:20 PM
 
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And then the 'profit' is taxed and the taxes are redistributed to those that need to buy more milk with the money that is given to them.

So, you're saying that theft is good for the economy?
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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To believe there is no multiplier effect you would have to believe that anyone so employed by a stimulus project never pays a bill they other wise wouldn't have because they were unemployed, that they never purchase anything of any sort, and that they never buy a service of any kind. Just like you'd have to believe that the road built never ever, ever facilitaties commerce of any kind.
The problem here is not looking at the complete picture.

CBO: Obama stimulus may have cost as much as $4.1 million a job

CBO: Obama stimulus may have cost as much as $4.1 million a job | AEIdeas

So someone has a little more money to spend but someone else has $4 million they must pay back and not put into the economy.

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In short, there is a reason why every economist which actually works as an economist (instead of a paid liar for some spurious political hack group) confirms that there is indeed a multiplier effect. People who gain jobs do indeed spend the money they earn thus increasing economic activity. It's just a fact even if some dullard starts a thread attempting to deny established economic facts.
Feel free to dispute the above point.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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The world? How about the US? Since we're already $119T in debt..

Viable Opposition: The Hidden American $100 Trillion Debt Problem

Unless of course you're willing to suggest that Social Security has no obligation to repay individuals, (which it legally doesnt), but you tell that to the voters..
It's easy, you just write a check. Problem solved.

Throughout history this has been tried over and over. Printing money never "works". True output of goods and services FALLS when adjusted for inflation.

The hilarious part, is that these people think it will "work" because it's electronic money, not even printed money.
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