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Old 10-01-2013, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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How do you know that?
Know what? That my dad's taxes were raised or that yours weren't? Taxes were raised on people making more than $400K and medicare taxes were raised on investment income for people making more than $200K.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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Huh? You told us you couldn't afford it.
So how do you know I won't be paying taxes?
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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, because with everyone in the system the costs of care are spread over more people.
But you just said they will be subsidized, they aren't paying for it.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Each person has to pay less because the costs are spread among more people...

What kind of crack are you smoking?
You are not understanding.

Each person in the system pays less because there are MORE people in the system.

Some people paid zero before. Most of those will pay more (except for those that actually needed care but didn't have insurance, they will pay less). But for the vast majority who already were in the system, their costs will be lowered.

This is why this was originally a conservative plan. Personal responsibility is a big part of it. The free riders need to chip in.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:17 AM
 
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So in fact the affordable care act only makes it affordable for those that don't have insurance and those with already exorbitant insurance rates can expect to pay more potentially putting them in the position of needing help to pay for it?

It hurts the working poor the most people that make to much to get government help .
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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But you just said they will be subsidized, they aren't paying for it.
They are partially subsidized. That 's why it's the "affordable" care act, not the "free" care act.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:19 AM
 
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You are not understanding.

Each person in the system pays less because there are MORE people in the system.

Some people paid zero before. Most of those will pay more (except for those that actually needed care but didn't have insurance, they will pay less). But for the vast majority who already were in the system, their costs will be lowered.

This is why this was originally a conservative plan. Personal responsibility is a big part of it. The free riders need to chip in.
No, Obamacare creates MORE free riders.

And again, you STILL haven't explained.

Do the math for me.

Jim: 10,000
John: 400
Jane: 88
Sheri: 960
Lamar: 670

Show me how you add them up and somehow it adds up to less.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:20 AM
 
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They are partially subsidized. That 's why it's the "affordable" care act, not the "free" care act.
And we have to pay the subsidy.

So, costs are not reduced. It's just tossed onto someone else to make room for more free riders.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I'm sorry you can't understand, it's really not that hard. I have to go to bed though.
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