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Old 10-01-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
Apparently HD does not understand the difference between fact and perception.
FACT: Democrats shut down the government.
PERCEPTION(apparent) : due to left wing media propaganda, an alarming number of people have been brainwashed into thinking that the GOP was responsible.
CONCLUSION : Democrats adhere to the time tested dictum that if one keeps telling a lie enough, a lot of people will soon begin to believe it is true.
Or another version,
FACT: Republicans stuck an unrelated rider into a must-pass spending bill.
PERCEPTION(apparent): After only listening to right-wing pundits and polls, the Republicans think the majority of the US wants them to shut down the government in an effort to get the unrelated rider passed (they are wrong).
CONCLUSION: Republicans adhere to the time tested dictum that if one keeps telling a lie enough, a lot of people will soon begin to believe it is true.

Or, if you prefer:
FACT: Republicans stick a unrelated rider into a must-pass spending bill and send it to the Senate.
FACT: Democrats remove the rider and send the clean bill back to the House.
FACT: Republicans stick a similar but unrelated rider into the bill and send it back to the Senate.
FACT: Democrats remove the rider and send the clean bill back to the House.
FACT: Republicans stick yet another similar but still unrelated rider into the bill and send it back to the Senate.
FACT: Democrats remove the rider and send the clean bill back to the House.
FACT: Midnight deadline passes, Government is officially shut down.
FACT: At 1am, Republicans ask for a conference committee to discuss the unrelated riders.
FACT: Democrats see no point in talking about unrelated riders with the government in the process of shutting down.

And so forth.

If I remember history correctly, the Republicans blamed the delay in Sandy relief on the fact that they were only voting "no" on all the unrelated riders, not for the relief itself. That's what the Democrats are doing now; voting "no" on the unrelated rider and voting "yes" (100-0, so both Republicans AND Democrats are doing this) for keeping the government functioning.

So tell me again, exactly WHO is responsible for shutting the government down?

 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. Mon View Post
To hear some in the house speak, it probably would pass. However, there will likely be hell to pay come primary season for those who vote for it, especially for reps from highly gerrymandered districts.
And we all know that the only thing they fear is a primary.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by DJboutit View Post
Clean CR bill would pass that is why he has not done this already he is listening to a very few of the teabag a holes that know ACA will work and people will love it that is why the teabaggers do not want it they did not vote for it in the first place
Boehner is either:
A) Speaker in name only and not really running the show. Thus Rep. Peter King's rant about Ted Cruz.
B) A genius who is letting the Tea Party wing actually get what they want in hopes that doing so will be so unpopular that the extremists get booted from the party.

Kind of related, but where has Eric Cantor been in this mess?
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Smoke_Jaguar4 View Post
The GOP is all for defense spending and won't cut medicare. Discretionary spending (including almost all social spending) is just 15% of the budget. If you want cuts, start with the biggest items and their defenders.
The president refuses to make any cuts at all. The GAO has sent Obama studies it had conducted that detailed hundreds of billions in cuts, but he simply refuses to cut spending. WHY?

GAO finds billions in wasteful, duplicative federal spending - 2013
GAO Details Billions in Federal Waste - 2011
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc View Post
...and written by a flaming Liberal at that. Cruz will wind up with egg on his face and maybe they will be green ones. The truth is that Cruz really does not care how The ACA will turn out in the long haul, he just needed a captive audience for his one man circus publicity stunt.
Cruz has decided to get his name "out there".
It's grandstanding for nothing more than his personal agenda.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Republicans hopefully will not screw us for days. Gawd.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
The House passed the bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010. The amendment bill, The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, was also passed by the House on March 21.
Which was AFTER the Senate passed the new tax bill into law, making it UNCONSTITUTIONAL, since ALL tax increases HAVE TO PASS THE HOUSE FIRST..
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Most of the American people today: "hey did you see Dancing with the Stars" last night?
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
Last government shutdown; 1995 under a Republican majority House. I am beginning to see a pattern here.
This is our 18th "shut-down" since 1976

During the Carter Administration from 1976-1979 there were 6 shutdowns with a total of 67 days - this was a Democratic President with a Democratic Senate & a Democratic House. 28 days in 1977 alone.

Government Shut-Downs in the United States

It's pretty humorous to read about these (very brief notes on each) "shut-downs - they are almost all battles between Congress & the President. This shut down is different - the President is standing on the sidelines like none of this concerns him at all ....while we have a House & Senate that are the root of the problem, with a Senate that refuses to even speak to the House. The Senate & the House are not even on the same page - the Senate wants to raise the Budget and do away with the Sequester and the House is proposing ACA changes. The divisions in this country are almost insurmountable - no telling where we wind up when people refuse to even speak to each other and are reduced to nothing but insults and name calling.

Most of these previous 'shut-downs' are long forgotten and never mentioned - it is only the Clinton Era shutdowns that are even remembered, and great Myths have grown up around those.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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LMAO at the DELUSIONAL con SPIN doctors in this thread

The child-like GOP (Grand OBSTRUCTIONISTIC Party) is getting CREAMED in the polls...
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