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Originally Posted by D-Towner
In case you don't remember, a bunch of nut jobs sanctioned by the Islamic Republic of Iran took our embassy hostage. If someone wants to cater to that government, I must ask if they are insane.
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In case you don't remember....and obviously you don't....Ambassador Smith had been engaging in talks with Khomeini for nearly 2 years prior to the Shah's abdication.
I'm guessing you're not aware the Shah had pancreatic cancer, intended to abdicate, and was seeking visas for his family and himself to go the US. Both the Shah and Smith agreed that Khomeini would be the most likely successor, and in order to insure a smooth transition of power, Smith opened up a dialogue with Khomeini, enlisting the aid of the Brits and their people in Kuwait to function as go-betweens.
Smith and Khomeini were only weeks away from a face-to-face meeting to go over the details when the French DGSE (their equivalent of the CIA) blew the thing wide open.
The French were paying attention to all the running around (Khomeini was in exile in Paris) and having figured out what the US was doing, the French decided to try and put their man in power (if I remember that was Ayatollah Ruhollah).
The French spilled the beans at a meeting held at a mosque in Tabriz.
Within hours, all of the ayatollahs were rallying supporters and jockeying for position to lead Iran.
That, was the so-called "revolution."
The only thing Carter had to do was keep his mouth shut and roll out the red-carpet for Khomeini.
Khomeini then assumes power as an ally of the US, and not as an enemy.
Instead, the neo-cons on Carter's White House Staff --- Gary Sick and that jackass
Brzezinski -- talked Carter into sending General Huygens to Iran to help the Iranian military take over in a military coup.
Put yourself in Khomeini's place for just one second.....
You've been talking to the US for nearly 2 years, and now the US is silent, General Huygens is there, and the Iranian army is deployed.
....if you ain't thinking assassination, then you're not smart enough to lead a Brownie Troop across the street without getting half of them killed and the other half raped.
Under the circumstances, Khomeini acted reasonably.
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Originally Posted by D-Towner
Take your bleeding heart argument somewhere else. Criminal thugs sanctioned by that government did great wrong and it's a shame Tehran wasn't carpet bombed back into the stone age.
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Actually, they did not.
During a speech at the University of Tehran, Khomeini told the students of the US treachery I just told you about.
That's what incited the students.
As a matter of law, the United States forfeited all legal protections under the Treaty of Vienna when the US violated the terms of the Treaty by using US Embassy Mission Tehran as a military base.
Among the captured documents, were all of the Iranians the US had murdered in cold blood for attempting to exercise Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, Freedom to Peaceably Assemble and numerous other rights you have, but that were denied to Iranians during the Shah's 26 Year Reign-O'-Terror.
Also of course, were the complete set of documents spelling out the repeated attempts by the US to murder Prime Minister Mossadeq in cold blood.
Clinton gave a half-fast semi-formal apology to the Iranian people.
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Originally Posted by Velvet Jones
And there is an invisible dragon that lives in my garage. Prove it doesn't exist.
I really hope Israel does attack Iran.
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Well, they can't, and only a nutter claiming to have an invisible dragon living in their garage would say something so silly.
Israel cannot attack Iran, for the same reason Iran cannot attack Israel.
Use the Search Function.
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Originally Posted by BMoreJuice
The Anti Israel nut balls have their panties in a bunch once again.
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Are you referring to yourself?
Why don't you enlighten us with a display of your acumen and tell us what kind of nuclear weapons Iran is supposedly making.
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Originally Posted by BMoreJuice
What we know is that Iran is at a point in their nuclear program that if they choose to construct the bomb, they can do so in a matter of months with primary protection 90 meters below ground imbedded in a mountain.
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Without any infrastructure, not that you'd actually know what the infrastructure for nuclear or chemical weapons would actually look like.
So, what kind of "bomb" could Iran build?
Also, can you explain why your claim contradicts the IAEA report?
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Originally Posted by BMoreJuice
When the Americans (Bush) had cold feet about destroying nuclear facilities, Israel had the balls to destroy the nuclear reactors of Iraq and Syria. And thanks to Israel, we do not have to worry about them anymore.
Every other discussion is off topic, wrong and red herrings galore.
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Uh, what kind of nonsense are you talking about?
First, the French built the nuclear reactor at the behest of the Iraqis, so you're wrong on that.
Second, the attack was in 1981.....Reagan was president, not Bush, so you're wrong on that.
Third, Israel was able to carry out the attack only with extensive support and help from the US, including satellite imagery. Additionally, US military advisors in Iraq had ensured that all the radars in the area were either looking at the Iranian border, or down for maintenance.
That's how Israel was able to fly in undetected.
So, you're wrong on that.
Fourth, Syria never had nuclear reactors, so you're wrong on that.
Fifth, Israel was able to attack Syria only with massive assistance from the US, including diplomatic assistance in clearing a flight-path through Iraq, and through Turkey into Syria.
For your information, that was a missile assembly facility for air defense missiles recently purchased from Russia.
The blast break would be the first freaking clue, but then you'd have to know what you're talking about to figure that out. Surely, you can find in the photos, right?
My advice to you would be to sit out future discussions of things military as they relate to the Middle East.
Not amused...
Mircea
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