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Old 10-01-2013, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
That " general welfare clause" can be used to justify anything including building bridges to nowhere for 50 people.
Sigh....

I wasn't citing the general welfare clause, which is in the preamble. I was citing Article I, Section 8, which you CLEARLY have never read, and which reads:
The Congress shall have Power To ... establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
It's RIGHT THERE IN THE CONSTITUTION, the federal government has the EXPLICIT authority to build roads.

I'm disgusted that so many people are so COMPLETELY CLUELESS about the very document which DEFINES the federal government. It's no wonder that so many of these people are demanding that their rights be stripped away in favor of a short term political victory for "their side."

Do you people even understand the precedent that has been set with the mandate in Obamacare? I don't think you do.

Like I said, I'm disgusted that so many people are so stupid. You get the government you deserve, I guess.

 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
yes, millions of americans looking for handouts, what a shock...
What do you suggest the uninsured do?
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mohawkx View Post
You made the ridiculous statements about 35 trillion overdrawn in SS and 35 trillion in Medicare. I could google all day long and never find verification for those figures, even from the most biased RWNJ site. You said it, you prove it, or eat your credibility.
http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/a/SB100...?mg=reno64-wsj

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/a/SB100...?mg=reno64-wsj

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/me...h-us-household

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/16/re...l-84-trillion/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...security_n.htm

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0197.htm

http://www.garynorth.com/public/department30.cfm

http://investmentwatchblog.com/u-s-e...-actually-202/

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/06/07/...per-household/

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-fiscal-future
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:21 PM
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This is why the Republicans have tried so hard to kill the ACA. They know that once millions of Americans see what it actually does and the advantages that is creates for them and their families, it will be impossible to repeal it or destroy it. It may also cause people to wonder just what else the GOP has been lying to them about.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post
Once again, a conservative proves that empathy and community are completely foreign concepts! If someone supports the social contract and eschews greed, they must be a deadbeat! No other explanation is possible!

Seriously, how do people like you navigate life in a civilized world whose concepts are completely foreign to you?
So why don't Dems have empathy for those Americans that are footing the bill for this disaster? Or have liberals decided that only the poor deserve consideration.

They'll never understand that if you work hard, but the harder you work, the more is taken from you, only makes you give up and stop working.

Demspeak for "civilized": it's OK to steal from the productive and give to the productive because it makes us FEEL good......
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by scrapheap View Post
What do you suggest the uninsured do?
Jees, you need someone to actually tell you the answer to that?

The uninsured will CONTINUE to go uninsured, in case you havent heard... 30 million is expected to go without.. So what do you do?
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy View Post
LoL, is that all you got?

Millions of Americans now have access to affordable healthcare. Your party tried to stop that but couldn't. This is a great day for America.
They did the same with SS and the Civil rights. Filibusters and all.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Jean71 View Post
No.
Yes the 80% weren't all illegalls.
Those that weren't, would normally avoid going to hospitals. Only go if they really needed to. One time costs here and there. Now they can just get subsidized plans. No longer one time costs here and there, it's now a recurring cost.
Illegal aliens are not eligible for the ACA or any subsidies. They will show up at the ER and be treated like they always have under the 1986 Reagan Health Care bill where anybody of a higher order than a chimpanzee gets stabilizing treatment in an ER regardless of their ability to pay. I would expect that you would prefer to turn these people away at the door.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
If you're a liberal Democrat, that's exactly what you do. Again and again.

And again, and again, and again, and the brainwashed dead supporters, are too stupid to realize this.

Most Doctors i have talked with, and my sister inlaw works at one of the Large well known Hospitals out here, most Doctors, do not want any part of Obamacare, and they will be happy to tell you why, if you have a honest relationship with them.

I know Doctors, who no longer have their practices, and 30 Dr's who quite from one major Hospital a couple months back. Infact that article was in the newspapers don't remember how back that was. Obamacare not as popular, as the wittle sheeple are led to believe. Believe everything you hear, or read.

Why the thing that this administration is most known for is lies deceit and distortions, playing on the brains, of those most weak and meak, while sucking them into their web. Along the way, attacking and using scare tactics and bully those who oppose or stand up to them in anyway.

Lets see how goes, in 6 months, a year, better indication of how things will truly be. You really think one day, is a clear indication of how this is going down, please, your smarter then this.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
when you own a small business trying to collect from dead beats is a nightmare.
Ain't that the truth. I was trying to collect from a company for six months before they went out of business. My loss? $36k. That's a healthy down payment on a house, and their failing will likely push back our move date by a couple of years.
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