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Old 10-06-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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The right wing faction has been saying that the government is broken and useless. Then they get elected to office and prove it.
Exactly.. this whole notion from the left that the nation doesnt operate without the federal government is utterly ridiculous..
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Debacle Ducking
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Intelligent, well-informed people are concerned over the impasse in Congress and the fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is good. What is not good, is that we’re all victims of the world’s greatest propaganda ministry.

In soundbite mode:
  • __ The U.S. government went bankrupt in 1933, instituted a perpetual “temporary” State of Emergency, and bypassed the U.S. Constitution.
  • __ The public debt, in excess of 16 trillion DOLLARS (not “dollar bills”), computes to over 800 billion ounces of gold, stamped into coin. Problem #1 : world wide supply is estimated at 5.6 billion ounces. Problem #2 : at current mining rates, it would take 87,000 years to mine enough gold -IF- the debt and interest were frozen right now. Problem #3 : Pursuant to clause 4, 14th amendment, USCON, the validity of the public debt cannot be challenged. (Wha !?)
  • __ What did Congress borrow to rack up owing so much gold?
  • __ The bankrupted government has operated these 80 years, using the people as co-signers on their bad checks (“Federal Reserve Notes”) - via FICA / Social Security. Enumerated Americans are “human resources” pledged as a surety, and cannot object to the tender of “their” notes in lieu of lawful money. FICA is 100% voluntary, in case you didn’t know.
  • __ Americans are promised a republican form of government. But since the 1930s, Americans have only experienced democratic socialism.
  • __ Capitalism, as defined, only means private ownership of property, not usury or other scams to steal property. Capitalism has been dead in America for 80 years. (Banking and finance are associated with usury, not capitalism.)
  • __ Usury is mathematically unsustainable in a finite money token system. Due to the exponential equation for compound interest, an infinite money supply is required. Since that is not the case, a portion of debtors shall default simply because enough money never existed for all to repay their debt and interest. Economists and other shills for the usurers are not to be trusted.
These are but a few of the reasons, that explain why the "Public Servants" are in haste to disarm the American people.
There is a high probability that many Americans will do unChristian things to their tormentors.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Exactly.. this whole notion from the left that the nation doesnt operate without the federal government is utterly ridiculous..
That's not exactly how I meant it, but what the hay, good catch on your part.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Exactly.. this whole notion from the left that the nation doesnt operate without the federal government is utterly ridiculous..
Yes, we can and should operate with less federal government.

But we should also reject the notion that a disgruntled minority can invalidate laws and the will of the people by threat of economic harm. That is not what the founding fathers intended by separating the power of the purse; they intended it as a check against unrestrained budgets, not as a way to circumvent the legislative process.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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With this attitude, why do you send people to Washington? You want to put people who hate the government in the government? How patriotic.
Yeah, I don't get that either..Let them set sail and colonize elsewhere.

Of course there are things that can always be improved or eliminated, but these nuts only elect reps that make things better for the top 1%. Not one supporter of the Teapublicans can point to any legisltion that has improved their lives, unless of course they get farm subsidies or some **** like that.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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Tell me how its patriotic to run tens of trillions of dollars in debt and pass programs which cant be paid for?
It's unpatriotic to not tax the most toxic derivatives on Wall St., which number in the quadrillions
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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Yes, we can and should operate with less federal government.

But we should also reject the notion that a disgruntled minority can invalidate laws and the will of the people by threat of economic harm. That is not what the founding fathers intended by separating the power of the purse; they intended it as a check against unrestrained budgets, not as a way to circumvent the legislative process.
Actually thats exactly what the founding fathers intended, thats why the Senate was originally appointed by state legislatures, and not elected..

And maybe you need to also return to school to learn that our government was setup to protect the minority, so yes, the "disgrunted" minority indeed has a voice, despite you crying about it..
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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It's unpatriotic to not tax the most toxic derivatives on Wall St., which number in the quadrillions
Derivatives on Wall Street is a revenue neutral transaction.. You cant tax things that generate no cash, but hey.. thats another thread, and I'd hate to embarass you by displaying one more thing you dont know anything about..

where is this patriotic to tax, notion coming from btw? Is that really what you learned in school? I mean really?
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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Yeah, I don't get that either..Let them set sail and colonize elsewhere.

Of course there are things that can always be improved or eliminated, but these nuts only elect reps that make things better for the top 1%. Not one supporter of the Teapublicans can point to any legisltion that has improved their lives, unless of course they get farm subsidies or some **** like that.
Why the hell would we do that? YOUR the ones wanting to transform america..
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This shutdown is a great reason why I support having non partisan groups draw up districts based only on population. We need more purple districts.
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