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yes I do watch movies, however I base the opinion on what I have heard from combat military veterans. many will tell you you don't always need deadly force.
the police should be better trained to take someone down or eliminate the threat without killing unarmed or mentally ill people.
Except you had 2 unknowns (actually more):
#1 they had no way of knowing she was unarmed
#2 they had no way of knowing she was, apparently, mentally ill
What they did have was a woman in a car who had already breached security at the Capitol who then headed towards the White House. She had already hit at least one officer with her car and driven towards others at a high rate of speed (up to 80MPH going towards the WH). She also, once surrounded, refused to obey police commands to keep her hands in view.
Except you had 2 unknowns (actually more):
#1 they had no way of knowing she was unarmed
#2 they had no way of knowing she was, apparently, mentally ill
What they did have was a woman in a car who had already breached security at the Capitol who then headed towards the White House. She had already hit at least one officer with her car and driven towards others at a high rate of speed (up to 80MPH going towards the WH). She also, once surrounded, refused to obey police commands to keep her hands in view.
No on disagrees that the threat she posed was not apparently obvious, but the OP is faulting her family in wanting to know as much as possible about exactly what led to her death. It is a very normal reaction from family members. There is not much you can do for a deceased loved one, so following up is kind of owed to them for closure.
we hear far too often about innocent people being shot dead by police who were either in the wrong place at the wrong time or unarmed in some way. in most of these cases it seems the police could have sot the tires out, shot the person in the leg, done something other than kill them. not saying all police shootings are wrong, however we have too many people being killed by the police for no good reason. they should have better training.
There are so many people in the last decade that has shoot at the White House (look it up yourselves), drove into the fence, had a bomb ducked taped to him even chases through the streets and ALL those people are still alive in prison living off tax dollars but one women with a child in the car goes into the fence and chased by police like a runaway slave---That's why they have an attorney! First they said she was a terrorist, then associated with some Muslim group--they were 'fishing' because they knew the whole world was watching. If it was my family member, I would not let this rest until they gave concrete answers to why they couldn't have taken a different approach to cornering this car.
the police should be better trained to take someone down or eliminate the threat without killing unarmed or mentally ill people.
So those in the act of committing such behavior should be subject to a mental health evaluation before they are subject to being shot by police carrying out their duty to stop such threats by whatever means necessary? Did she stop and raise her hands to show that she was unarmed?
So now the family lawyer is going to say something like "but she was just confused and in the process of stopping when she rammed that police car and sought to evade uniformed officers and now some money is needed to assuage the distressed family who have suffered such a loss due to the police actions even though they didn't care enough to help her before she acted out."
Except you had 2 unknowns (actually more):
#1 they had no way of knowing she was unarmed
#2 they had no way of knowing she was, apparently, mentally ill
What they did have was a woman in a car who had already breached security at the Capitol who then headed towards the White House. She had already hit at least one officer with her car and driven towards others at a high rate of speed (up to 80MPH going towards the WH). She also, once surrounded, refused to obey police commands to keep her hands in view.
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So those in the act of committing such behavior should be subject to a mental health evaluation before they are subject to being shot by police carrying out their duty to stop such threats by whatever means necessary? Did she stop and raise her hands to show that she was unarmed?
So now the family lawyer is going to say something like "but she was just confused and in the process of stopping when she rammed that police car and sought to evade uniformed officers and now some money is needed to assuage the distressed family who have suffered such a loss due to the police actions even though they didn't care enough to help her before she acted out."
thanks sickofnyc for the post.
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No on disagrees that the threat she posed was not apparently obvious, but the OP is faulting her family in wanting to know as much as possible about exactly what led to her death. It is a very normal reaction from family members. There is not much you can do for a deceased loved one, so following up is kind of owed to them for closure.
the public has a right to know how someone dies at the hands of the police. can they apprehend or nullify a threat without deadly violence all the time? no, of course not.
far too often police do rely on deadly force when they shouldn't. every year police kill people in a "police action" that are completely innocent, or have mental illness. it happens all the time. the problem could be resolved by another means instead in a deadly manner.
the case in the op is an extreme and sad event. as the public/family member have every right to put a microscope on it.
You guys that would "shoot the tires out" need to stop watching cop movies. It's also against policy in most police departments to shoot at a moving vehicle.
Could they have used stop sticks? Maybe, but this unfolded so quickly that there wasn't really time to deploy them.
By all accounts here the officers tried to allow her to surrender and she wouldn't leave the car, wouldn't show her hands, etc. If you really watch the various and numerous videos out there, from all news agencies, you can see all of that happening.
Think of where this happened. Then think of car bombs.
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Cops aren't trained to "shoot in the leg". You watch to many movies. Cops are trained to shoot center mass and eliminate the threat.
This is America today. Someone else has to be blamed and held "financially" accountable to anyone related.
Someone dies today and the first thing family does is lawyer up and get themselves in the news.
This is America today. Someone else has to be blamed and held "financially" accountable to anyone related.
Someone dies today and the first thing family does is lawyer up and get themselves in the news.
would you prefer an america where the police can kill without questions by the public?
I'll give the family a break, they just suffered a loss. I do kinda hate it when they lawyer up, you just know the circus is coming. However, quite a few people thought law enforcement went somewhat overboard on this one. There is no excuse for not pinning her car in better, they also had plenty of time to shoot out her tires. I wouldn't file a lawsuit, but I'd darn sure demand an investigation.
No on disagrees that the threat she posed was not apparently obvious, but the OP is faulting her family in wanting to know as much as possible about exactly what led to her death. It is a very normal reaction from family members. There is not much you can do for a deceased loved one, so following up is kind of owed to them for closure.
Step 1: Go to youtube.
Step 2: Type in "DC car chase" or related queries.
Step 3: Watch.
Pretty well tells you everything you need to know. She placed herself, her child, and police officers in a dangerous, potentially deadly situation. In the end, the perpetrator was eliminated, thus eliminating the threat for everyone else involved. Sounds fair to me.
Had they not killed her, and her actions caused the death of her child, you would never hear the end of it.
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