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So, you feel that men who contribute to taking care of their own children is a bad thing? A man who pushes his own offspring around in a stroller is brow-beaten? Interesting.
No, I am not implying that the act of pushing a stroller is brow beating them. Brow beating is an entirely separate activity that is going on apart from the stroller. I see many submissive men nowadays that are completely controlled and domineered by their wives who run the household, and make all decisions for them.
I know many young guys who stayed at home with their domineering mothers into their late 20s and beyond. They don't even know how to cook for themselves or do their own laundry; they did not leave home until they met their wife, who picked up right where the guys' mothers left off.
i never mentioned subserviency [sic], you did. i don't consider empathy and caring subservient, seems you do. i also did not mention anything of roles, i am talking about personal behavior. you're subverting my point of view to some broader (and i think rather misinformed) context. so the only thing fallacious is your misinterpretation!
women have historically had a moral superiority vs men when it comes to behavior on an aggregate level.it is also true that women have historically had less responsibility. I'm not sure there is necessarily a great correlation between those two dynamics, perhaps there may be some, but you are greatly over-reaching with your obsession of female subserviency [sic]. it would seem you believe that women only behave less selfishly and more empathetically than men overall because society has restrained them. its a very condescending argument...
Your commentary here is either deliberately non-specific (almost to the point of obfuscation) or simply repeating previous points on a 'just so' basis without cogent or substantive arguments. The rest is irrelevant semantics.
If you're tired, I suggest you leave it overnight and PM me tomorrow when your head is fresh. Good night.
No, I am not implying that the act of pushing a stroller is brow beating them. Brow beating is an entirely separate activity that is going on apart from the stroller. I see many submissive men nowadays that are completely controlled and domineered by their wives who run the household, and make all decisions for them.
I know many young guys who stayed at home with their domineering mothers into their late 20s and beyond. They don't even know how to cook for themselves or do their own laundry; they did not leave home until they met their wife, who picked up right where the guys' mothers left off.
....and I see some submissive wives who are completely controlled and dominated by their husbands who make all the decisions for them.
Neither one is good.
Your commentary here is either deliberately non-specific (almost to the point of obfuscation) or simply repeating previous points on a 'just so' basis without cogent or substantive arguments. The rest is irrelevant semantics.
If you're tired, I suggest you leave it overnight and PM me tomorrow when your head is fresh. Good night.
nice non-respnse
next time just admit defeat before you spell check...
There is nothing sexier than a strong, masculine, protective man than knows how to take charge when needed.
I often feel as though I am surrounded by de-masculinized men when I see them in public being brow beaten by their over bearing wives while they cart around strollers full of children from the mini van. I really feel sorry for them.
a strong, masculine, protective man can and do cart strollers full of kids around. hard to really get a feel for who is being brow beat in a relationship from a 30 seconds as the family goes to the car from mall.
Sorry for pointing out the blatantly obvious, but why did you bother posting a reply without substantial arguments in the first place?
Last edited by Grigoriachel; 10-09-2013 at 06:30 PM..
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