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Old 10-07-2013, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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My take on this is that you have it backwards. It's the right that lies about Democrats being on the wrong side of history

The 13th amendment was 148 years ago and that's the only one you have right.

As for the 1964 Civil Rights act that was passed by a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and signed by a Democratic President. It was in fact supported by both sides and both sides voted for it. The claim that Republicans supported the 1964 CRA and the Democrats opposed it is a lie. There was a division on the vote but is wasn't on party lines it was on regional lines. The north voted for it and the south voted against it, in both cases by huge margins, about 90% or so. Also worth nothing is that if you look at the vote factoring in the north south division you find that in both cases the Democrats voted for it by a higher percentage. A higher percentage of northern Democrats voted for it and a higher percentage of southern Democrats voted for it. Also interesting here is that 1964 was a Presidential election year. The nominees were chosen after the vote for the 1964 CRA and the Republicans chose a man who not only voted against it but he also voted against the filibuster. The Democrats on the other hand chose the man who had signed the 1964 Civil Rights act. Another person who voted against the CRA was Strom Thurmond and it wasn't the Democrats who swooned over him at his 100th birthday. It also wasn't a Democrat who gushed about how swell it would have been if he had been elected President in 1948 when he ran on the segregation ticket.

Then there's the con lie about the history of woman's right to vote. One con lie there is that in 1878 Senator A.A. Sargent, a Republican, introduced a measure in the Senate to give women the right to vote. That part is true. The lie comes with the con claim that it was the Democrats who killed it. It wasn't the Democrats who killed it in 1878 it was the Republicans. In 1878 the Senate was controlled by the Republicans and Senator Sargent's measure never made it out of the Republican controlled Senate Committee on Elections and Privileges. The standard con story about woman's right to vote is that the measure came up four more times and was killed by the Democrats each time. That's only half true, the fact is it was killed by a Democratic Congress twice and a Republican Congress twice. But probably the craziest con lie is the one that for the 40 years between 1878 and the passage of the 19 amendment (41 really) the Congress was dominated by the Democrats. It was the Republicans who dominated the Congress during those 40 years, and I do mean dominated. For half of those 40 years the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress, including 10 consecutive years toward the end. And when it did pass both parties voted for it
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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88th United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia makes it as easy as possible for you to understand.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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Taxpayers. Responsible people who are part of the solution instead of the problem. We live conservative lives, send money to charities and are blasted by the people we are helping.
Taxpayers, which also include Blacks and women. Please think about the first paragraph of what I said.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Taxpayers. Responsible people who are part of the solution instead of the problem. We live conservative lives, send money to charities and are blasted by the people we are helping.
It funny that we are the problem..
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The problem in America, as I see it, is that we went from voting for the party (and the candidate) that we believe in, to voting for the candidate that represents the lesser of two evils, to the candidate that we feel won't screw up as badly as the other one.

I don't think the founding fathers, or even the Greeks, thought democracy should work this way.
This is true..
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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It funny that we are the problem..
It's about time you realize that!
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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It's about time you realize that!
Why that we make the right choices in life, work hard, make alot of money, and they give some of what we earn to help others...liberals? use the pen to force under threat and force to throw bad money after bad money to failed ideas and programs.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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Why that we make the right choices in life, work hard, make alot of money, and they give some of what we earn to help others...liberals? use the pen to force under threat and force to throw bad money after bad money to failed ideas and programs.
I'll bet $1000 you've haven't give 10 bucks to charity in your entire life.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:25 PM
 
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The problem in America, as I see it, is that we went from voting for the party (and the candidate) that we believe in, to voting for the candidate that represents the lesser of two evils, to the candidate that we feel won't screw up as badly as the other one.

I don't think the founding fathers, or even the Greeks, thought democracy should work this way.
Times have changed. When the Greeks came up with democracy, it was intended that only Greek male property owners could vote. At the time of the founding fathers, it was intended that only White males(and in some cases property owners) could vote. It is easy to have "democracy" when only certain people get to vote, because the power is concentrated in one portion of the population. But in a way, it wasn't democratic for everyone because alot of people couldn't vote.

Where we are today highlights how divided of a nation we have always been. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is basically the manifestation of this. This divide was not seen as much in the old days because fewer people could vote. Nowadays, more people will speak up when they feel that they aren't adequately represented. People often vote for "the lesser of two evils" because they are looking out for their own interests, and why this happens is rooted in alot of distrust.

I think democracy is working this way because there is so much distrust among the people.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I'll bet $1000 you've haven't give 10 bucks to charity in your entire life.
...really?
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