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Old 10-07-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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They were the version of conservatives for the Democratic Party in that conservative democrats held onto the days of slavery, bigotry and racism - that my friend, is one definition of a "conservative democrat."
That, my friend, is a misnomer. Check my link.

Robert Byrd was a huge pork barrel spender and big-gov't advocate. Also solidly pro-abortion, and won a 100% rating from NARAL. Sam Ervin was a great liberal hero of the 70's who led the fight against Richard Nixon during the Watergate hearings, and was lauded by the left at the time. J William Fulbright was a nemesis of McCarthy, opponent of the Vietnam War, supporter of the UN, and best known for the higher-ed subsidies that bore his name. Russell Long was a great proponent of LBJ's 'Great Society.'

They were not a 'version of' conservatism. They were segregationists, and they were standard issue liberals.
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Of course, I'm aware of it. Eisenhower was a moderate Northern Republican, and like most northern Republicans and northern liberal democrats, he supported the Civil Rights Act. But right wing southern Democrats opposed Civil Rights. There are hardly any right wing southern democrats anymore. Their descendants made the South the strongest bastion of the former party of Lincoln.

Why don't conservatives get this? Are they really that stupid, or are they just unwilling to actually read America's political history? It's not a hard concept to understand.
Good grief, trying to turn racist Democrat segregationists into right-wingers, even after you were told they remained in the Democratic Party, just to cover your ignorance of history???? You've been schooled in the is thread, just freaking man up and admit you were wrong.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Good grief, trying to turn racist Democrat segregationists into right-wingers, even after you were told they remained in the Democratic Party, just to cover your ignorance of history???? You've been schooled in the is thread, just freaking man up and admit you were wrong.
Nope. I won't admit I was wrong, because I don't believe I am. Some, like Strom Thurmond, outright switched parties. Others drifted over to the Republican Party. The beginning of the end of Democratic dominance of the South was because of segregationist Democrats voting for Republicans, and the Republicans were happy to oblige. Goldwater--1964, Nixon's successful southern strategy. Just because Robert Byrd remained a Democrat doesn't mean much in my book.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That, my friend, is a misnomer. Check my link.

Robert Byrd was a huge pork barrel spender and big-gov't advocate. Also solidly pro-abortion, and won a 100% rating from NARAL. Sam Ervin was a great liberal hero of the 70's who led the fight against Richard Nixon during the Watergate hearings, and was lauded by the left at the time. J William Fulbright was a nemesis of McCarthy, opponent of the Vietnam War, supporter of the UN, and best known for the higher-ed subsidies that bore his name. Russell Long was a great proponent of LBJ's 'Great Society.'

They were not a 'version of' conservatism. They were segregationists, and they were standard issue liberals.
A conservative in this context is someone trying to hold onto the status quo, to preserve their culture, and in this context, those Democrats were racist segregationists who wanted to hold onto, conserve the bad old days of Jim Crow. You know, being a racist segregationists and a being in favor of a big socialist styled central government are not mutually exclusive positions to hold.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Houston
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As far as Goldwater's vote against the CRA of 1964 it was based on legitimate constitutional principles. Goldwater had voted in favor of every CRA before it.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Nope. I won't admit I was wrong, because I don't believe I am. Some, like Strom Thurmond, outright switched parties. Others drifted over to the Republican Party. The beginning of the end of Democratic dominance of the South was because of segregationist Democrats voting for Republicans, and the Republicans were happy to oblige. Goldwater--1964, Nixon's successful southern strategy. Just because Robert Byrd remained a Democrat doesn't mean much in my book.
No, wrong again!

ONLY Thurman switched parties, ALL OF the other segregationists remain Democrats for the rest of their lives.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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Why so many defensive threads from right-wingers on topics like these?
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Wherever I happen to be at the moment
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Might I suggest you learn that political parties change? Republicans didn't always used to be raging right wingers. The OP said Right wing, not Republican.
After some 20 years as a political and legislative analyst both for state as well as federal issues, I have a pretty good idea of the changes over my almost seven decades. Given the nature of the initial post my best guess is that the OP equates the "right wing" with Republicans as do many. The truth is, many Republicans are quite moderate. It's the Tea Party that blurs the lines.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Why do conservatives tell the lie that today's Republican Party bares any resemblance to the party of Lincoln?

Why do conservative lie about the Republican Party passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964? I've posted the actual vote on numerous occasions. Not only did more Democrats vote for the Civil Rights act than Republicans but when you control for region the percentage of Republicans who voted against the Civil Rights act was overwhelming.



Now that is indeed funny. Eviscerate the 2nd Amendment... too funny. Keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable, known felons, and limiting the sale and possession of weapons totally out of proportion to any threat that middle aged suburban white guys require for self-defense that is eviscerating the 2nd Amendment? Ya boy!



Reward or recognize facts on the ground? Thousands of people were brought to this country by their parents and have have grown up as Americans. Offering them a path to becoming legitimate citizens is not a reward it is a just recognition of reality.
Yeah the laws we have dont work, but new ones will?

also who knows of the threats of tomorrow will be? you sure as hell don't. my rights are not subject your views, opinions or approval.

And that made it ok? what about moral hazard?
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Wars are not won by a bunch of limp-wristed liberals.
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