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Old 10-07-2013, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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I only ask because in about five minutes I found this:

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[T]he solar forcing combined with the anthropogenic CO2 forcing and other minor forcings (such as decreased volcanic activity) can account for the 0.4°C warming in the early 20th century, with the solar forcing accounting for about 40% of the total warming. Over the past century, this increase in TSI is responsible for about 15-20% of global warming (Meehl 2004). But since TSI hasn't increased in at least the past 32 years (and more like 60 years, based on reconstructions), the Sun is not directly responsible for the warming over that period. Foster and Rahmstorf (2011) used multiple linear regression to quantify and remove the effects of the El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and solar and volcanic activity from the surface and lower troposphere temperature data. They found that since 1979, solar activity has had a very slight cooling effect of between -0.014 and -0.023°C per decade, depending on the data set
Good ol' Foster and Rahmstorf. I used to love them on The Muppet Show.


Sun & climate: moving in opposite directions
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Illegals cost this nation anywhere from 120 to 200,000,000,000$ a year.. while the cost a border fence is 60,000,000,000$ so..yeah.
I'm not saying it isn't a problem, but there can be a solution between "give them all amnesty" and "arrest and deport all of them".

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More and more evidence is being found that man made globe warming is not happen, and solar output is the cause of climate fluctuation.
There is so much evidence for both sides, that it's hard to know what to believe anymore. All reporting on this issue seems to be provided by parties prejudiced on one side or the other of this issue. I don't believe that global warming is entirely man-made, or even mostly man-made. But I got no problem with trying to curb the amount of pollution that I breathe or that shows up in my ground water.

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As for Israel, sink or swim,
Agreed mostly. As the only Democratically elected system (well, western socialist system) in the Middle East, I do feel they are deserving of some of our support. But we should be more balanced in our dealings with other Middle Eastern parties. Not terrorists groups, though.

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Dont care about gays or their issues, leave it to the state...
I think that's where things are headed and have no problem with that.

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Red tape and moronic tax code must go.
Agreed. A flatter, fairer tax code is far overdue in this country, and in think this is the biggest problem facing the average tax payer.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I'd like to see this evidence, pleaseandthankyou.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Anth...+not+happening

https://www.google.com/search?q=Anth...solar+activity

Knock your self out.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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[1] workers' rights, [2] women's rights, in the early 20th century, to [3] Social Security, [4] Civil Rights, [5] Voting Rights, [6] Medicare, and now the [7]Affordable Care Act...
Due to pervasive propaganda, terminology and ideology are wholly confused by the masses.

I must preface my remarks by observing the following facts:
[] U.S. government has operated under a perpetual "temporary" State of Emergency, since 1933.
[] The U.S. Congress repudiated its promise to redeem its notes (Title 12 USC Sec. 411) with lawful money, in House Joint resolution 192, June 1933.
[] FDR confiscated all privately owned gold money and criminalized the possession of same by "free" Americans.
[] In 1935, U.S. became a socialist nation, via FICA.
Trying to comprehend the difference in operation between a constitutional government and the current regime is not easy without knowing these facts.

To start off, let us also remember that rights are endowments from our Creator, while government granted privileges (often mistakenly called rights) are at the discretion of government.
[1] Workers' rights - not an endowed right, but a government privilege.
[2] Women's rights - political liberty is a government privilege. Since women are absolved of the same mandatory civic duties of men, women are not "equal" but hold a "superior" status at law.
[3] Social Security - a "Tax and bribe" scam to create a new tax in the midst of the Great Depression.
[4] Civil Rights - Civil rights aka civil liberties are government privileges.
[5] Voting Rights - Another government privilege.
[6] Medicare - Derived from FICA / SocSec, a voluntary compact and voluntary tax.
[7] Affordable Care Act - also derived from FICA / Soc Sec - which explains why the Supreme court ruled that it was "constitutional" as a TAX. A voluntary tax can never be unconstitutional.
What is missing from this list are the casualties of the Socialist Revolution of 1933.
__ Private property ownership
__ Natural liberty
__ Sovereignty, freedom and independence
__ Personal liberty
__ Natural rights

What most Americans are kept ignorant about is the fact that private property and real estate are mutually exclusive. Check your own state's constitution and laws and note exactly which kind of property is explicitly protected, and which kind of property is subject to ad valorem taxes.

Why is private property so important?
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
{All Collectivist philosophies abolish absolute ownership by the individual, and replaces it with qualified ownership, dependent upon the Collective. In essence, no one has a "right to live" without permission of the State.}

Estates (real and personal property) are held with qualified ownership, and owners are subject to taxation and restricted in their use of said property (zoning, building codes, etc).
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

"LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time."
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

{Estate in land is NOT absolute ownership, but qualified !}

If you comprehend these definitions, and realize that no one has owned private property since 1933, you must realize the true nature of the government.

The irony is that all the changes were done by YOUR CONSENT, saith the law.
Your grandparents, parents, and now, you, have sold yourself and your progeny into servitude to the State, in exchange for access to "entitlements" and "benefits."

What were once rights, are now privileges, subject to licensure, taxation and restriction by the all powerful State.

If you left wingers think that it is a wonderful "victory," we will have to agree to disagree.

The once free Americans now must get permission (license) and / or pay a tax to live, work, buy, sell, travel, build a house, enter occupations, operate a business, transmit, fly a plane, hunt, fish, trade in medical care, buy medicine, cut hair, marry, or own a dog. And even after they die, the tax man gets a cut.

Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America - where that which is not mandatory, is licensed, taxed or forbidden. (And do not forget your ID papers-s-s-s-s-s-s!)


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References:
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Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
[] ... ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...
[] Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.
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Legal Tender Status
" Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves..."
[] We may correctly infer that the basis for the "emergency" is the bankruptcy of the U.S. Congress and its inability to redeem its notes.
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“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ScottSSNLetter.pdf

[] No law compels all Americans to participate in FICA nor is there any law that punishes non-participants. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude. Thus all taxes, duties, and obligations stemming from FICA are assumed consensual.
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In 1933, FDR confiscated all the privately held gold money (private property) and criminalized the possession of lawful gold money by “free” Americans. From 1933 forward, private possession and ownership of gold was illegal for U.S. citizens. Any refusal to return one's gold was punishable by a fine of $10,000 and 10 years in prison.
The Great Confiscation: Gold ownership was illegal in the USA from 1933 to 1975

[] Thus we can see that starting in 1933, constitutional government was ended. American people no longer could use constitutional lawful money to "pay debts" as defined in Art. 1, Sec. 10, USCON.
Thus no one could alienate title to private property.
We became strangers in our own country, and dispossessed of our inheritance.

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"One of the most enduring myths of Social Security is that a worker has a legal right to his Social Security benefits. Many workers assume that, if they pay Social Security taxes into the system, they have some sort of legal guarantee to the system's benefits. The truth is exactly the opposite. It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits."
[] FICA is not insurance, there is no "right" to "benefits," and there has been no lawful money since 1933. Yet millions believe otherwise.

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Since 1935, the U.S. government has operated as a "voluntary" socialist state, incrementally marching toward a totalitarian police state and a more perfect communistic society, to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities.

If you grasp the meaning, you will also understand why the ruling powers are hastily seeking to disarm the American people, while arming the state's mercenaries with the latest armaments, including armored vehicles and other warcraft. Let us not forget the curious custom of MASKING the mercenaries and hiding all identifiable features.

WAKE UP !

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Old 10-07-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?

For reference, this is the story I heard on Morning Edition: NPR Media Player
You mean like the Cold War?
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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There is so much evidence for both sides, that it's hard to know what to believe anymore.
No, there isn't so much evidence on both sides. There's so much evidence on one side, and right-wing liars on the other. Ignore the news, look to the research.

And don't pay attention to the right wingers here, who try to pass off blogs and op-eds in Forbes as scientific publications then whine about Al Gore when challenged.

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All reporting on this issue seems to be provided by parties prejudiced on one side or the other of this issue. I don't believe that global warming is entirely man-made, or even mostly man-made. But I got no problem with trying to curb the amount of pollution that I breathe or that shows up in my ground water.
That's certainly smart enough. Even if the scientists prove themselves wrong tomorrow, it's a strange person who thinks clean air and water are bad things.

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Agreed. A flatter, fairer tax code is far overdue in this country, and in think this is the biggest problem facing the average tax payer.
How is this fair? Someone who makes 20 million is not going to suffer from the loss of two million dollars. Someone who makes 20 thousand is going to miss that two grand a lot. Seems to me the average tax payer is a lot closer to being in that second category than the first.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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No, there isn't so much evidence on both sides. There's so much evidence on one side, and right-wing liars on the other. Ignore the news, look to the research.

And don't pay attention to the right wingers here, who try to pass off blogs and op-eds in Forbes as scientific publications then whine about Al Gore when challenged.



That's certainly smart enough. Even if the scientists prove themselves wrong tomorrow, it's a strange person who thinks clean air and water are bad things.



How is this fair? Someone who makes 20 million is not going to suffer from the loss of two million dollars. Someone who makes 20 thousand is going to miss that two grand a lot. Seems to me the average tax payer is a lot closer to being in that second category than the first.
Funny you only like facts when they support your agenda...face it, people dont want this New World Order by the Eco-Statist, more and more people are speaking out facts and proof that man made globe warming is a political and financial drive hoax, maybe the greatest hoax ever a attempted.

Name one person one the right who wants dirty air and dirty water? things are great now, but more laws will not have a tangible rate of return.

No they will not suffer, the businesses he patrons will, taxes is about math and logic, not fairness or punishing success.

Why should we all not have skin in this game?
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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You mean like the Cold War?
Don't forget how Reagan's policies ended the long lines at the pump, due to the perceived fuel shortage; jump started a collapsing economy; got the hostages out of Iran; and made air travel cheaper for everyone. He was no saint, his policies skyrocketed our national debt, but he did leave this country better than he found it.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?
Because they live by slogans and dreamworlds. Without the government they so hate, society would be anarchic and their homes would be burned and their property pillaged. As much as I'd like to see this happen to them, fortunately government provides stability, enforces private property rights, and provides basic assistance to keep the anarchy down.

But they live in a Ron Paul dreamworld, and have no interest in reality or facts.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:47 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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How is this fair? Someone who makes 20 million is not going to suffer from the loss of two million dollars. Someone who makes 20 thousand is going to miss that two grand a lot. Seems to me the average tax payer is a lot closer to being in that second category than the first.
Is it better now, that corporations have so many loopholes that GE can make billions of profits but not pay a cent in taxes? That billionaires pay far less a percentage in taxes then the little people who work for them?

On the opposite side, the guys making 20K a year and paying 2k in taxes drives on the same roads we do to make his 20k, takes the same trains/metros we do, enjoys the same emergency services we do. He may not have to pay the exact same percentage that a billionaire does, but he should have to pay something if the infrastructure we all pay for is what enables him to make an income. Enjoying the riches and opportunity of this country for all means there should be a shared burden by all.

This is a complicated issue, but a flatter (not simply just a single flat percent) would be more fair to the American people as a whole.
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