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Old 10-07-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?

For reference, this is the story I heard on Morning Edition: NPR Media Player
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?

For reference, this is the story I heard on Morning Edition: NPR Media Player
Because their narrative is usually just propaganda that serves a priviledged minority. They never seem to stand for the country as a whole. Also, I think a flaw in the conservative mindset is a fixation with tradition and the past. That is fine, even desirable to a degree, but such a view that all the right answers are already known makes them ill suited to leading into the future.

This is not always the case, because the left can certainly overreach. For example, the Reagan revolution had some basis. Taxes were high and government growth needed to be checked. However, he did not cut spending, and trickle down failed. But, conservatives have kept serving that same medicine to every possible problem for 30 years, and now those Reaganesque ideas are absurdly innappropriate.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?

For reference, this is the story I heard on Morning Edition: NPR Media Player
It's not really surprising. By definition, Conservatives resist social progress, which means resisting emerging and evolving knowledge of the world around them. They can't help but side against any new ideas that expands rights and privileges to those that didn't have them yesterday.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: SC
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Because being primarily for the special interests of big business and for the select few ultra-wealthy, is never going to be, and never has been, for the people.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: USA
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That's just the way they roll.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:51 PM
 
Location: texas
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?

For reference, this is the story I heard on Morning Edition: NPR Media Player
i was thinking that very thought [again] a few moments ago.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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This thought occurred to me as I was listening to NPR on the way to work. I mean, from workers' rights, women's rights, in the early 20th century, to Social Security, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Medicare, and now the Affordable Care Act, it seems like they always lose the battles over their implementation. And then they also lose in the court of public opinion. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Any thoughts on why the right never seems to win in the end?

For reference, this is the story I heard on Morning Edition: NPR Media Player
The government teet.....free money....free services....handouts galore. That's what liberals are known for. "If it's free, it's for me!"

The increase in big government over the last 100 years is directly proportional to the dumbing down of our citizenry. You folks are a natural fit for the Big Government Age. Thankfully, we have conservatives to counter those measures....otherwise we would have been the Banana Republic that liberals are hoping to achieve long before now.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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Because their narrative is usually just propaganda that serves a priviledged minority. They never seem to stand for the country as a whole. Also, I think a flaw in the conservative mindset is a fixation with tradition and the past. That is fine, even desirable to a degree, but such a view that all the right answers are already known makes them ill suited to leading into the future.

This is not always the case, because the left can certainly overreach. For example, the Reagan revolution had some basis. Taxes were high and government growth needed to be checked. However, he did not cut spending, and trickle down failed. But, conservatives have kept serving that same medicine to every possible problem for 30 years, and now those Reaganesque ideas are absurdly innappropriate.
One of the issues that I have with conservatism is when they start talking about "tradition" and the way things used to be. The thing is that you can point to any time in the history of this country and it was never all that bad if you were a heterosexual, white, Christian, male. But there have been plenty of times in the past (even now) when it's really sucked if you didn't hit on each of those definitions. Not surprisingly conservatives usually tend to be heterosexual, white males who claim to support Christian values.

And yes, I know that there are PLENTY of conservatives who don't fit that description, but I think you're kidding yourself if you don't picture a white man when you think of a conservative.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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The government teet.....free money....free services....handouts galore. That's what liberals are known for. "If it's free, it's for me!"

The increase in big government over the last 100 years is directly proportional to the dumbing down of our citizenry. You folks are a natural fit for the Big Government Age. Thankfully, we have conservatives to counter those measures....otherwise we would have been the Banana Republic that liberals are hoping to achieve long before now.
Lots of great things have happened in those years. Which parts do you dislike?
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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Because being primarily for the special interests of big business and for the select few ultra-wealthy, is never going to be, and never has been, for the people.
Ignorant post. It's all an illusion that you've been goaded into accepting. Those special glasses must have been a handout from Democrats, too.
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