Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-09-2013, 03:21 AM
 
4,798 posts, read 3,507,757 times
Reputation: 2301

Advertisements

President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), headed by Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, has now granted Obamacare waivers to the entire states of Nevada and New Hampshire. In its letter to Nevada, HHS admits that, without the waiver, “there is a reasonable likelihood” that Obamacare would result in “market destabilization, and thus harm to consumers.” Thus, to try to keep insurers from fleeing that state, HHS has exempted Nevada from a portion of Obamacare’s long list of mandates and requirements. HHS also admits to a “reasonable likelihood” that Obamacare would “destabilize the individual market” in New Hampshire, and has granted it a statewide waiver as well.
Obama Sebelius

So, just to summarize: The federal government passes almost unbelievably complicated and intrusive legislation that even its own Department of Health and Human Services admits is reasonably likely to disrupt markets and harm people. States and other entities then make the case to HHS that this would in fact happen. Sebelius and her underlings then decide — or decide not — to bequeath exceptions to the law for given states, companies, unions, or collections of companies in a given representative’s district. This is not how things are supposed to work.

Nevada and New Hampshire will be two of the most closely contested states in the upcoming presidential election, which of course will determine whether Sebelius will get to keep her job. In the past eight presidential elections, the candidate who has won Nevada has also won the presidency. And in seven of the past eight presidential elections, the candidate who has won New Hampshire has also won the presidency (the only exception being when John Kerry, from neighboring Massachusetts, beat George W. Bush by just over 1 percentage point).
slurp slurp
Obamacare Waivers Granted to Nevada and New Hampshire | The Weekly Standard
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-09-2013, 04:31 AM
 
26,491 posts, read 15,066,580 times
Reputation: 14638
The article is from 2011....I am assuming that this has changed and Obama was forced to change it back??? Otherwise this would be nonsense.

Last edited by michiganmoon; 10-09-2013 at 04:40 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 04:35 AM
 
26,491 posts, read 15,066,580 times
Reputation: 14638
...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
22,229 posts, read 17,851,724 times
Reputation: 4585
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve40th View Post
President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), headed by Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, has now granted Obamacare waivers to the entire states of Nevada and New Hampshire. In its letter to Nevada, HHS admits that, without the waiver, “there is a reasonable likelihood” that Obamacare would result in “market destabilization, and thus harm to consumers.” Thus, to try to keep insurers from fleeing that state, HHS has exempted Nevada from a portion of Obamacare’s long list of mandates and requirements. HHS also admits to a “reasonable likelihood” that Obamacare would “destabilize the individual market” in New Hampshire, and has granted it a statewide waiver as well.
Obama Sebelius

So, just to summarize: The federal government passes almost unbelievably complicated and intrusive legislation that even its own Department of Health and Human Services admits is reasonably likely to disrupt markets and harm people. States and other entities then make the case to HHS that this would in fact happen. Sebelius and her underlings then decide — or decide not — to bequeath exceptions to the law for given states, companies, unions, or collections of companies in a given representative’s district. This is not how things are supposed to work.

Nevada and New Hampshire will be two of the most closely contested states in the upcoming presidential election, which of course will determine whether Sebelius will get to keep her job. In the past eight presidential elections, the candidate who has won Nevada has also won the presidency. And in seven of the past eight presidential elections, the candidate who has won New Hampshire has also won the presidency (the only exception being when John Kerry, from neighboring Massachusetts, beat George W. Bush by just over 1 percentage point).
slurp slurp
Obamacare Waivers Granted to Nevada and New Hampshire | The Weekly Standard
2011 issue is hardly News, well considering it's the Weekly Standard readers, I suppose the word News is not applicable. But here, perhaps you should read the HHS statement .... it is linked in the article but apparently too difficult to go to.

http://thehill.com/images/stories/bl...tch/nevmlr.pdf
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
4,697 posts, read 6,447,121 times
Reputation: 5047
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve40th View Post
So, just to summarize: The federal government passes almost unbelievably complicated and intrusive legislation that even its own Department of Health and Human Services admits is reasonably likely to disrupt markets and harm people. States and other entities then make the case to HHS that this would in fact happen. Sebelius and her underlings then decide — or decide not — to bequeath exceptions to the law for given states, companies, unions, or collections of companies in a given representative’s district. This is not how things are supposed to work.

Obamacare Waivers Granted to Nevada and New Hampshire | The Weekly Standard
Apparently you read the article - not sure if you followed the link to the actual letter to Nevada from HHS. Let me quote you something that appeared towards the end, in the conclusion:

Quote:
Accordingly, pursuant to section 2718(b)(1)(A)(ii) of the PHS Act (42 U.S.C. §300gg-18(b)(1)(A)(ii)), the MLR standard applicable to the Nevada individual health insurance market for the MLR reporting year 2011 is 75 percent.
1. This is not a "waiver."

2. This is an adjustment to one requirement for one year (2011) only.

And if a person is in Nevada, they should visit https://www.nevadahealthlink.com/ to research the various health insurance plans available to Nevada residents under the Affordable Care Act.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
37,801 posts, read 41,003,240 times
Reputation: 62194
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve40th View Post
President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), headed by Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, has now granted Obamacare waivers to the entire states of Nevada and New Hampshire. In its letter to Nevada, HHS admits that, without the waiver, “there is a reasonable likelihood” that Obamacare would result in “market destabilization, and thus harm to consumers.” Thus, to try to keep insurers from fleeing that state, HHS has exempted Nevada from a portion of Obamacare’s long list of mandates and requirements. HHS also admits to a “reasonable likelihood” that Obamacare would “destabilize the individual market” in New Hampshire, and has granted it a statewide waiver as well.
Obama Sebelius

So, just to summarize: The federal government passes almost unbelievably complicated and intrusive legislation that even its own Department of Health and Human Services admits is reasonably likely to disrupt markets and harm people. States and other entities then make the case to HHS that this would in fact happen. Sebelius and her underlings then decide — or decide not — to bequeath exceptions to the law for given states, companies, unions, or collections of companies in a given representative’s district. This is not how things are supposed to work.

Nevada and New Hampshire will be two of the most closely contested states in the upcoming presidential election, which of course will determine whether Sebelius will get to keep her job. In the past eight presidential elections, the candidate who has won Nevada has also won the presidency. And in seven of the past eight presidential elections, the candidate who has won New Hampshire has also won the presidency (the only exception being when John Kerry, from neighboring Massachusetts, beat George W. Bush by just over 1 percentage point).
slurp slurp
Obamacare Waivers Granted to Nevada and New Hampshire | The Weekly Standard
Harry Reid reward.

I think the President grossly miscalculates the feeling people have on fairness. It's one thing to apply something bad or burdensome on people but they usually eventually grumble and accept it as long as they know everyone is in the same boat. People steam at favoritism.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
19,792 posts, read 13,945,761 times
Reputation: 5661
Wow. The OP debunked by the first few posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
22,229 posts, read 17,851,724 times
Reputation: 4585
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
Wow. The OP debunked by the first few posts.
Reading his own link did him in...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
76,975 posts, read 47,615,131 times
Reputation: 14806
I wish the story was available on sources other than Weekly Standard, which is basically a neo-con opinion mag. It also looks like the story is over two years old.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: NJ
23,548 posts, read 17,219,108 times
Reputation: 17578
It's not that is is an old story but a curiosity as to what is the current situation in these two states as the waiver was granted for 1 year to make it financially possible to keep insurance companies form existing the state... at least in the case of NV.

So it is appropriate to ask how that waiver worked out for the states; was it extended?; have insurance companies left the state in spite of the effort to retain them?

Easy to mock an old news post but the lack of critically looking at the conclusion of the intended results is telling.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:00 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top