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What did Faux News have to do with the shutdown? Besides support the morons like Cruz who was in support of the shutdown. You know why I enjoy coming to city data, I love watching guys like you whine and cry when your party loses because it seems to happen so often, yet you keep coming back thinking the far right is gonna win it this time.
I enjoy coming to city-data because people in other cities are so out of the loop, it's not even funny. I was turned away at the national arboretum on a day it was already closed. that's the reality of the faux's shutdown. it was fabricated by the faux.
We need people who compete for elections, then work within the framework of bills in the House and Senate in order to legislate policy into law. The full faith and credit of the USA should always be off limits.
Amen. This was an attempted overthrow oif the government- a slap in the face to EVERY American, as it was attempting to invalidate their 11/2/2012 decsiion-making authority.
Perhaps there are things that season the bad taste of Obamacare for Republicans...
What's this about McConnell getting $3 Billion for a dam in his state as part of the agreement with Reid on ending the shutdown?
WASHINGTON — A deal to reopen the government and avert a debt default also includes language authorizing more than $2.8 billion in funding for a locks and dam project championed in the past by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
And I thought our honorable GOP Senators were against increased spending.
Folks, we're all being had, and many of us have known that for a long time. We need integrity and character in D.C., people with courage, or we're doomed to watch this kind of theatrics repeatedly.
It's the "as long as I get what I want out of this deal we're good to go" typical deal making that is our government.
McConnell,McCain etc. are just conservative to get elected and stay in office. It seems to me they've joined the ranks of those that have totally given up and decided that since you can't stop the theft and graft you might as well grab as much as you can for your own.
Congress has become like a corrupt police force, sure there are a few cops (congressmen) that have not given up their principals but they're far outweighed by those that have just given in and decided it's better to go along than to fight it.
Hang on to your alternative universe, conservatives. It has led you to defeat after defeat, but you cannot give up the false belief than only you are the hard workers and all others are nothing but bums and moochers.
Do you even know what the hell you are talking about?
First you guys say we need the affordable care act to help all those 40 million poor unfortunate people without health insurance. Then you demand we use the personal mandate to punish those same 40 million poor unfortunate people. It was ONLY the conservatives who wanted Obama to hold off a year on the personal mandate. You guys wanted to punish the uninsured so badly, you even applauded the president for shutting down the government over it.
When you guys make up your mind whether you are concerned and want to help the 40 million uninsured, or want to punish the uninsured, then you come let us know.
Networks blamed the shutdown on the GOP because the GOP was responsible for the shutdown.
How so? Did the GOP withhold funding? No, they sent the Senate funding bills for all of the government, even for the ACA. So tell me again, how the hell the GOP shut it down, I'll wait.
The only reason the government was not funded, was because Obama threw a hissy fit. Obama shut it down, because the Republicans asked him to negotiate over delaying the personal mandate. That's it.
Obama delayed Medicare cuts until after the 2012 election
Obama delayed the employer mandate.
Obama delayed the annual out of pocket caps for insurance companies
Obama delayed income verification for eligibility requirements.
But when Republicans asked to delay the personal mandate, well, Obama blew a gasket and refused to even negotiate about it, and then he shut down the government.
How so? Did the GOP withhold funding? No, they sent the Senate funding bills for all of the government, even for the ACA. So tell me again, how the hell the GOP shut it down, I'll wait.
The only reason the government was not funded, was because Obama threw a hissy fit. Obama shut it down, because the Republicans asked him to negotiate over delaying the personal mandate. That's it.
Obama delayed Medicare cuts until after the 2012 election
Obama delayed the employer mandate.
Obama delayed the annual out of pocket caps for insurance companies
Obama delayed income verification for eligibility requirements.
But when Republicans asked to delay the personal mandate, well, Obama blew a gasket and refused to even negotiate about it, and then he shut down the government.
Wow, you are determined to continue reliving the complete and epic failure of the Tea Party's overreach, over and over and over again, aren't you? The smart thing to do would be to move away from a tactic that 74% of the population thoroughly rejected instead of continually reminding everyone of your party's intractability and willingness to take the country over the edge because you didn't get your way.
But by all means, keep beating that dead horse. Beat it all the way to the next election, and the one beyond. Remind the electorate how your party blew through $24 billion in a prolonged temper tantrum. No one on the left will stop you.
Nah, it's not. Threatening federal default of the majority doesn't overturn a law the minority doesn't have the mandate to overturn is not "checks and balances." "Checks and balances" is when we have the House vote and pass a bill, the Senate vote and pass a bill, the President sign it into law, and the Supreme Court review it as necessary. Nowhere in there was it really assumed "stonewall the government and cause widespread economic harm" to be one of those pillars.
Look, it was plenty evident that conservatives are not interested in just "delaying" the law for a year. They want to kill it - whether they have the political support for it or not. They've practically been in a bloodlust over it; it's all they've been talking about. They delay for a year, and you think next year would be different? Besides, they get their way on this...then what next? Threaten to send us over the cliff unless we lower taxes on the rich? Or unless we abolish a woman's right to choose? Once the hostage-taker has learned that the strategy works, where does it end?
It's just not the way that any Republican or Democrat-led group should be making policy. And I'm glad Obama finally grew the balls to stand up to this bull****. It's a bad precedent that we don't need here in America. We need people who compete for elections, then work within the framework of bills in the House and Senate in order to legislate policy into law. The full faith and credit of the USA should always be off limits.
yadda yadda. The debate over Obamacare has zip, zero, nada to do with a woman's right to choose. Everything the Republicans did was done legally and constitutionally, so it is by definition 'the way our system was designed to work.'
If Dems don't want to be obstructed, maybe next time don't enact major, landmark legislation with zero bi-partisan input/support at a time when we are a 50/50 nation. And don't ram landmark legislation that remakes 20% of the economy through the Senate on a parliamentary trick. And in a 2 year window of combined white house/US house control which was promptly lost after said legislation was rammed through.
The ACA will reduce the number of Americans who cannot afford health coverage from 55 million to 30 million.
As such the ACA is effectively assuring healthcare for millions of Americans who previously could not afford it. That's the most critical and most substantial positive outcome from ACA.
Many of those who can now afford health coverage will be able to do so because insurers are no longer allowed to exclude or surcharge for preexisting conditions and no longer allowed to apply lifetime caps.
The individual mandate is the means by which insurance pools will remain financially viable given these two provisions of ACA - provisions that are so highly-regarded that even Republicans are promising to protect them.
Those right-wingers who wanted to delay the individual mandate were evidently hoping to cause substantial financial damage to the insurance pools, so that they could rationalize their inane objections to ACA in some new way. Several times in the last few months we've seen right-wingers work to cause situations - catastrophes of sorts - hoping they could then try to shift blame for those catastrophes onto the things they oppose - the things that they would have been responsible for weakening or damaging - because of the right-wingers' own lack of integrity.
I enjoy coming to city-data because people in other cities are so out of the loop, it's not even funny. I was turned away at the national arboretum on a day it was already closed. that's the reality of the faux's shutdown. it was fabricated by the faux.
So now that the moron Teabaggers lost the fight, you are now pretending the shutdown wasn't real.
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