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the faux-black. aka the teflon chameleon. don't act like you don't know the faux. the guy who's irish once a year. I even once heard him claim that he was russian.
Obama could have ended the shutdown the first day just by agreeing to delay Obamacare for a year. Republicans said from the start that they were willing to negotiate, and we all know they would have taken that deal. Obama was the party who refused to negotiate. The software wasn't ready anyway. And the unions are still up in arms. Delay would have probably been a good idea anyway, so why not?
Hence this shutdown was just as much Obama's doing as anyone's. Just declaring that it was all the GOP's fault does not make it so.
Would Bush have failed to implement his Medicare drug law for a year simply because a minority of the legislators didn't like it?
Not on your life!
Did Reagan agree to set his Star Wars program back because there was opposition?
Hell, no, he didn't!
Both those examples met as much opposition as Obamacare. Bush's law has become the most popular of his Presidency, and Reagan's law stopped the Cold War.
Face it, wutitiz; Obamacare was the law of the land, had already, in part, had been implemented, and 45 states had either signed on to federal management or had implemented their own management plans.
Trying to stop a train on a dime was a fool's errand from the beginning. No one can stop a speeding train instantly.
There was no way Obama was going to halt the signature law of his Presidency one day before the sign-ups began. Neither Bush's nor Reagan's biggest plans had problem-free startups. Very few big important laws go into effect without glitches.
Suck it up and move on.
The teabaggers picked the wrong fight and the wrong time. And they have caused massive damage to the GOP by their lunk-headed intransigence. The object of their failed attempt was not to delay the law, it was a last-ditch effort to kill it, and they attempted to use extortion as their tool. The citizens of the United States understood this, and that's why the GOP has fallen to only 22% approval.
That's not enough favorability to elect a Republican dog catcher to office. The Republicans now have a big bunch of work on their hands just trying to get their deserters back into the fold that was not necessary just a month ago. How are they going to show they are actually rational and responsible after this prolonged fiasco?
They can. Not all conservatives are crazy. But with guys like you aboard, still busy trying to burn down the house, it will take a lot more defeats ahead before they regain confidence in their party.
As I just pointed out to you, discretionary spending has been and will continue to be slashed, vast majority of Bush tax cuts were extended, number of government employees is down (also lower as % of population than under Reagan or Bush) and sequester cuts are scheduled to come down hard.
So what "add it to the debt" are you talking about?
You should be happy; you guys are already getting most of what you wanted. Whine much? Do you really need to use the full faith and credit of the USA as an extra point of leverage?
NEWSFLASH: Discretionary spending is NOT the source of our financal problems, nor will slashing it resolve our financial problems.
Conservatives are intent on reforming our ENTITLEMENT programs in order to resolve our financial problems. Democrats are NOT interested in having that debate.
That's like saying, "Obama could have ended the shutdown if he had just given the tea party whatever it demanded."
Why should the Democrats dismantle a law that was legally put on the books just because a minority of Republicans demands it under threat of economic harm?
Like the law or not, that's not the way our system is supposed to work.
Delaying is not dismantling. Just ask Obama....afterall.....delaying parts of Obamacare is is favored tactic!
Your semantics, hyperbole, and excuse making is unimpressive.
Why couldn't that be done with the government open and the debt ceiling raised?
Is that a real question?
Seriously?!?!???!
Democrats have proven over the past several years that they will absolutely NOT negotiate with Republicans over ANYTHING. Republicans had NO CHOICE but to leverage their advantage of spending bills having to originate in the house to try to get the Democrats to negotiate.
Even then, the Dems refused.
Why should ANYONE believe that the Democrats have ANY intention of negotiating about ANYTHING, if they're not being forced to?
We knew the media would do this, no matter how many times Obama, his advisers and Reid stated they would refuse to negotiate at all.
Republicans never expected to get a fair shake in the Big Three networks' coverage of the 16-day government shutdown, but the final tally of stories blaming the GOP is stunning: 41 stories blamed Republicans and zero blamed Democrats.
We know the media is against conservatives that is why some of us said no to the shutdown. Obamacare is collapsing all around but Ted Cruz and his merry band of militants demanded a shutdown. We will probably lose a very winnable VA governorship as a result of this suicidal strategy.
They want to delay it long enough so that a Repub (not going to happen) can take the oval office and eventually kill it. If you say this ain't the goal then you aren't being honest.
Would Bush have failed to implement his Medicare drug law for a year simply because a minority of the legislators didn't like it?
Not on your life!
Did Reagan agree to set his Star Wars program back because there was opposition?
Hell, no, he didn't!
Both those examples met as much opposition as Obamacare. Bush's law has become the most popular of his Presidency, and Reagan's law stopped the Cold War.
Face it, wutitiz; Obamacare was the law of the land, had already, in part, had been implemented, and 45 states had either signed on to federal management or had implemented their own management plans.
Trying to stop a train on a dime was a fool's errand from the beginning. No one can stop a speeding train instantly.
There was no way Obama was going to halt the signature law of his Presidency one day before the sign-ups began. Neither Bush's nor Reagan's biggest plans had problem-free startups. Very few big important laws go into effect without glitches.
Suck it up and move on.
The teabaggers picked the wrong fight and the wrong time. And they have caused massive damage to the GOP by their lunk-headed intransigence. The object of their failed attempt was not to delay the law, it was a last-ditch effort to kill it, and they attempted to use extortion as their tool. The citizens of the United States understood this, and that's why the GOP has fallen to only 22% approval.
That's not enough favorability to elect a Republican dog catcher to office. The Republicans now have a big bunch of work on their hands just trying to get their deserters back into the fold that was not necessary just a month ago. How are they going to show they are actually rational and responsible after this prolonged fiasco?
They can. Not all conservatives are crazy. But with guys like you aboard, still busy trying to burn down the house, it will take a lot more defeats ahead before they regain confidence in their party.
That's a lot of words to say pretty much nothing. Bottom line, Obama could have stopped the shutdown on day one by agreeing to a one year delay. The computer systems are not ready for roll out anyway. The unions would have cheered and the IRS union would not have to be in the embarrassing position of seeking exemption from the very law that the IRS is tasked with enforcing.
You can't remove the onus of the shutdown from Pres. Obama, no matter how you duck and dodge. To use your own words, 'suck it up.'
Democrats have proven over the past several years that they will absolutely NOT negotiate with Republicans over ANYTHING. Republicans had NO CHOICE but to leverage their advantage of spending bills having to originate in the house to try to get the Democrats to negotiate.
"Look what you made me do!" is the excuse of wifebeaters and terrorists.
That's a lot of words to say pretty much nothing. Bottom line, Obama could have stopped the shutdown on day one by agreeing to a one year delay. The computer systems are not ready for roll out anyway. The unions would have cheered and the IRS union would not have to be in the embarrassing position of seeking exemption from the very law that the IRS is tasked with enforcing.
You can't remove the onus of the shutdown from Pres. Obama, no matter how you duck and dodge. To use your own words, 'suck it up.'
Why would he have agreed to a one year delay? What would be the purpose of a delay for the Republicans othh
er than they could spend another year wasting time trying to defund ACA. Maybe they were hoping a delay would give them a chance to get a majority in the Senate too.
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