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Old 10-11-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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Did you read your link?
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33 percent believe that the health law should be repealed, delayed, or
defunded. 29 percent believe that “Congress should make changes to improve the
law,” 26 percent believe that “Congress should let the law take effect” and see
what happens, and 12 percent believe that the law should be expanded.
33% is still the highest %....look at the others....only 26% say it should go forward the way it is....

Last time I checked, 33 is more than 26....

 
Old 10-11-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Nobody "won" people. We still spend too much, have no budget and will raise the debt ceiling.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Oops...

"26 percent believe that “Congress should let the law take effect”

Notice how that article combined several different categories to conclude that only 1/3 didn't want this, that, or something else. Example: 75% of Americans prefer hamburgers or hot dogs.

Misleading language, but you fell for it.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:04 AM
 
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They're arguing over the dinner menu and seating arrangements on the Titanic after striking the iceberg . They'll be on the lifeboats, the rest of us will be on the deck waving buh bye.
We've only speeded up the clock until our economic melt down.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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Why Democrats Aren't Falling for the GOP's Obamacare Pitch
Because it's a trap! They know that delaying implementation carries many more risks than rewards.

Why Democrats Aren't Falling for the GOP's Obamacare Pitch - NationalJournal.com
I see, the meme now, is that ObamaCare is soooo wonderful, if we do not hold a gun to people's heads with the personal mandate for one year, it all falls apart. So the people will be forced to buy health care against their will, and punished if the dare to not buy it... and why are we doing this? Because the people need to be punished, otherwise, if Obama delayed the punishment he'd be "signaling that the law may have deep, fundamental problems." So the people must be sacrificed, because if Obama delayed punishing them it might make Obama's signature legislation look bad.

There will be a lot more glitches in the next year that need to be worked out, so why not delay punishing people for one year?

There are already people who will refuse to buy health care insurance and pay the fine, they don't care if there is a delay or not, they will still refuse to buy insurance either way.

This one year delay is for those people who want the buy insurance, but for whatever reason, glitches, unintended consequences, and oversights exist in the law, and they have fallen thru the cracks and cannot afford to buy it. But we need to punish them none the less, to make Obama's signature legislation looks good.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Most people DID and STILL DO oppose Obamacare. Very few have even bothered to enroll. Having a problem interpreting FACTS?
The enrollment numbers were hindered by technical glitches, but the most important thing to note is that you are having conniptions over something you claim (and hope upon hope) will fail. Why that reaction? Why don't you just wait patiently for your prophecy to be fulfilled? Surely, by the time 2016 rolls around, we'll know how unpopular it actually is. What are you afraid of? That it might actually help a few more people?

You Might Hate Obamacare, But It's Saved These People's Lives
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:15 AM
 
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I see, the meme now, is that ObamaCare is soooo wonderful, if we do not hold a gun to people's heads with the personal mandate for one year, it all falls apart. So the people will be forced to buy health care against their will, and punished if the dare to not buy it... and why are we doing this? Because the people need to be punished, otherwise, if Obama delayed the punishment he'd be "signaling that the law may have deep, fundamental problems." So the people must be sacrificed, because if Obama delayed punishing them it might make Obama's signature legislation look bad.

There will be a lot more glitches in the next year that need to be worked out, so why not delay punishing people for one year?

There are already people who will refuse to buy health care insurance and pay the fine, they don't care if there is a delay or not, they will still refuse to buy insurance either way.

This one year delay is for those people who want the buy insurance, but for whatever reason, glitches, unintended consequences, and oversights exist in the law, and they have fallen thru the cracks and cannot afford to buy it. But we need to punish them none the less, to make Obama's signature legislation looks good.
Then stop freaking out and losing sleep over it. You know exactly how this will turn out.

I have never seen such extreme agoninizing over something that people are so sure will be gone down the road a piece.
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The enrollment numbers were hindered by technical glitches
3 years and over $600 million wasn't enough for the government to present a functioning website?

And THAT'S who you all want controlling your access to health care?
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc View Post
The enrollment numbers were hindered by technical glitches, but the most important thing to note is that you are having conniptions over something you claim (and hope upon hope) will fail. Why that reaction? Why don't you just wait patiently for your prophecy to be fulfilled? Surely, by the time 2016 rolls around, we'll know how unpopular it actually is. What are you afraid of? That it might actually help a few more people?

You Might Hate Obamacare, But It's Saved These People's Lives
You continue to bring this link up, but the fact is, that link has nothing to do with signing up for obamacare...those were started prior to obamacare....

And It's known, no matter how many times it's said, the right does not want peope to die on the streets....

Remember 33% want obamacare stopped or delayed and only 26% want it to go ahead as is...this is by link the left has posted....
 
Old 10-11-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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Oops...

"26 percent believe that “Congress should let the law take effect”

Notice how that article combined several different categories to conclude that only 1/3 didn't want this, that, or something else. Example: 75% of Americans prefer hamburgers or hot dogs.

Misleading language, but you fell for it.
This helps skew the numbers too:

A survey of 1,976 registered voters Here are the numbers. 26 percent of the respondents identified as Republicans, compared to 42 percent Democrats


And yet, even with a heavily democrat weighted poll...

On the other hand, voters are deeply skeptical of the law’s promises to make health care more affordable. 57 percent believe that it will make health care “much more” or “somewhat more” expensive, whereas only 15 percent believe it will make health care “much less” or “somewhat less” expensive. 37 percent believe that the law will negatively affect the “availability of medical benefits,” whereas 23 percent believe it will improve access. 37 percent believe that the law will negatively affect “the quality of the medical care you receive,” whereas 20 percent believe it will improve it.
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