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What is so god awful bad about the republicans wanting to delay the personal mandate for one year???? Explain it to me.
The personal and employer mandate must be addressed now, because as of Oct 1st, they have both become the law of the land.
0bama told employers they don't have to give employees health insurance, so now we have people without insurance. The employers won't be punished, 0bama gave them a waiver, but the employees will be punished. Even Jon Stewart is pissed off about that, because it's stupid to punish the people, and let employers off Scott free.
Because the only real reason the tea party and the repubs want to delay it for a year is to put it front and center as the major republican campaign issue for the mid terms come 2014. They know they have nothing else to run on and this is the only thing they got. No plans, no programs, no solutions, no $#!t.
Because the only real reason the tea party and the repubs want to delay it for a year is to put it front and center as the major republican campaign issue for the mid terms come 2014. They know they have nothing else to run on and this is the only thing they got. No plans, no programs, no solutions, no $#!t.
Ah, the hostage takers are formulating a new list of demands:
With polls showing their party is suffering the brunt of the blame for the shutdown, many top Republicans are quietly moving past the Obamacare debate. Many Senate Republicans’ demands do not include changes to Obamacare, but rather cuts to Medicare, Social Security and changes to the Tax Code. House Republicans are also considering a short-term debt hike, but no one expects that it will be accompanied by changes to Obamacare.
Can't possibly have a clean CR and debate these very important things more thoughtfully afterwards. No, like little children, the Tea Party must be given something to placate them so they don't throw a tantrum and trash the place.
Because the only real reason the tea party and the repubs want to delay it for a year is to put it front and center as the major republican campaign issue for the mid terms come 2014. They know they have nothing else to run on and this is the only thing they got. No plans, no programs, no solutions, no $#!t.
No, it's because it isn't going to work. It was rushed through on bribes and no input from anyone willing to actually read and understand its impact which, as of now, is tremendously negative. It is not our fault your party passed this garbage and all we want to do is stop the carnage and fix or replace it with something that works. Decisions have consequences and if those are your party is thrown out of the power trip they are in its your fault period.
No, it's because it isn't going to work. It was rushed through on bribes and no input from anyone willing to actually read and understand its impact which, as of now, is tremendously negative. It is not our fault your party passed this garbage and all we want to do is stop the carnage and fix or replace it with something that works. Decisions have consequences and if those are your party is thrown out of the power trip they are in its your fault period.
Sure, if you consider more than a year of debate and work "rushed through." And the only bribes that happened were the changes that the Democrats made that they didn't want, but did anyway in an attempt to appease a recalcitrant GOP, which was all for naught. But the GOP had plenty of opportunity for input, despite the right's attempt to rewrite history. Remember the Gang of Six?
The ACA was the result of more than a year of congressional committee hearings in which progressive ideas like single payer or a public option were jettisoned, and hundreds of GOP amendments to the law were accepted, in exchange for zero Republican votes.
Sen. Max Baucus, in particular, drove an eight-month bipartisan process via the Senate Finance Committee in which he and ranking Republican Chuck Grassley held dozens of hearings, released joint “policy option” papers and finally presided over 31 meetings lasting 60 hours with the so-called “Gang of Six” – Baucus and Grassley plus Kent Conrad, D-N.D., Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., and Mike Enzi, R-Wyo. — to try to hammer out a compromise that would attract GOP support.
Yes, ol' Max did his part in writing the ACA and getting it passed, in spite of the fact that over 70% of his constituents did NOT want it.
Now, Max is retiring before the 2014 elections, possibly so that he won't have to try to run for re-election with the ACA hanging over his head (at least that is what a lot of his constituents think).
Even HE doesn't like the ACA!
How about the Senate and the House pass a resolution agreeing that they will pass a clean CR and raise the debt ceiling with the condition that by the end of the year they will get a balanced budget, Republicans will agree that tax rate increases are on the table, Democrates agree that cuts in services are on the table, and both agree to a ten year plan to pay off the national debt.
CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer said the White House should take Republicans’ suggestion and delay Obamacare due to the poor performance of the websites that are facilitating it. “If they weren’t fully ready, they should accept the advice that a lot of Republicans are giving them — delay it another year, get it ready, and make sure it works,” Blitzer said Wednesday.
So now apparently delaying ObamaCare for a year was a good idea.
Missed this one. Ol' Wolfie must be taking his ginko and had a moment of clarity.
Couldn't agree more, it is becoming ridiculous. What do the Republicans want? They have given up on repealing/defunding/delaying Obamacare. I can't figure out why the government is still shut down. Have they come up with a new list of demands before they agree to release the hostage? Nobody on the right seems to know what they are holding out for. Maybe you could enlighten us?
Oh, by the way: "The president has invited the House Republican Conference to the White House on Thursday, as part of an effort to find a way to end the government shutdown and avoid a debt default next week. But Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) indicated Wednesday that only some Republicans would be attending the meeting, none of whom are members of the Tea Party flank."
Why would Boehner exclude the Tea Party, do you think, since that is the faction that is holding things up?
Obama wanted ALL the House Republicans to come to the White House - Boehner said "NOPE" - only those who are in the Budget committees will attend - only those who are actually involved in the Shutdown will attend.
Does it make you wonder a bit about all the Rhetoric from the Far Left?
Does it make you wonder if all these Fairy Tales about "30 Tea Party Anarchists are holding the House hostage" stories? Does it make you wonder if YOU have been lied to?
John Boehner hasn't included the "Tea Party Anarchists" because they never really had anything to do with the events. That appears to be pretty obvious at this point. I've said all along - Look at the Math. It's never made any sense that 30 people out of 233 people are controlling everything.
And now we know that can't possibly be true. The MATH never did support this Leftist rhetoric. What we do now know for a fact is that while Obama has gone on National TV for the last 3 days about how he would not "negotiate or even talk to these people" ....... he has "changed" his mind about that.
He saw the polls ..... he is dropping like a Rock.
Ah, the hostage takers are formulating a new list of demands:
With polls showing their party is suffering the brunt of the blame for the shutdown, many top Republicans are quietly moving past the Obamacare debate. Many Senate Republicans’ demands do not include changes to Obamacare, but rather cuts to Medicare, Social Security and changes to the Tax Code. House Republicans are also considering a short-term debt hike, but no one expects that it will be accompanied by changes to Obamacare.
Can't possibly have a clean CR and debate these very important things more thoughtfully afterwards. No, like little children, the Tea Party must be given something to placate them so they don't throw a tantrum and trash the place.
Yup, it's becoming increasingly obvious that Obamacare is NOT going be defunded or delayed. If the GOP is lucky they'll get SOMETHING (anything) out of all this, but whatever it is, it WON'T be a halt or delay of Obamacare. Problem is, the Tea Party folks have really set their minds on stopping Obamacare - and once it sinks in that they have LOST that war, they are really going to turn on those who eventually backed away from the "delay Obamacare/kill Obamacare" demands - and (as I've said many times since all this started) the GOP backbiting/recriminations/blood-bath will begin - only to get worse when the political fallout at the polls chews up the GOP in the elections next year.
Ken
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