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Old 10-14-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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The question still remains unanswered.

Except by liberals quoting heir standard talking points, to the effect the government spending a LOT more money (that they don't have) will make it all better.
Flatly untrue. She quoted her premium. She said nothing about with or without the subsidy. There are more than sufficient sources of the costs to demonstrate she either has a quite high income or is quoting gross premium.

You cannot get your position correct by repeatedly quoting it. BS is BS.
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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The woman who talked; her family is disabled, living on a "fixed income" so I'm assuming not much, and has a child. If they lived in NJ or MD, they would have been eligible for Medicaid. Not here with the teabagger occupying the governor's mansion in Harrisburg. Yet the big guns, small brains crowd blames it on the ACA. Wrong, blame it on the governors who refuse to cover the people that make too much money for Medicaid's old income guidelines and for those whose jobs don't cover them and don't pay enough. They are the people who fell through the cracks of the ACA, but not solely because of the law. The blame is being conveniently placed on the ACA, when, coincidentally, this "loophole" seems to only be happening in states with a teabagger governor
In all that juvenile name-calling, , you must have missed the part of the story where it stated the woman and her family HAD insurance coverage, which apparently does not meet the credibility requirements of Obamacare in some way. Promised affordable healthcare with all the Obamacare hype and lies, she attempted to find insurance that did meet those new requirements at the exchanges. And the story reports her results.

Your attempt to blame the GOP for the Obamacare mess is disingenuous at best. This debacle was rammmed through Congress in December 2009 without one GOP vote-they, and their attempts to put forth alternate healthcare plans were shoved aside, and Democrats who showed recalcitrance at voting for a law they knew little about were bribed, threatened, anything it took to force them to vote for that law. Obamacare is a Democrat Frankenstein, and they own the law and all its fallout, no matter how many fingers they point (typically) at anyone else.
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:38 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Who is paying for her family's medical care now?

Is her state one of the ones that did not expand Medicaid to more low income families?
Apparently according to the story she has health insurance which for some reason must not have met the mandates of Obamacare.

"If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance"...... Barak Obama, August 11, 2009
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Utter nonsense. Small fixed income is under 30 grand. She likely gets a free ride. Now if her small fixed income is 100 grand...she can pay.

She is clearly in the target group that makes out on ACA. They generally end up around 5% of income or less.

Doesn't sound as though she's making out in any way from her encounter with Obamacare.....
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Exactly right. The governor turned down federal money to expand Medicare which would have covered this woman and many others, money that has now gone to other states. People in her situation across the country will have healthcare, but because her governor is an ass, she will not. There is nothing here that is the fault of the president or Democrats, who put provisions in place to make sure this didn't happen.

Blame is 100% on Corbett. He cares nothing about his own constituents as long as he can look like a hero to the Tea Party idiots. I hope Pennsylvania is paying attention. This is a state that has gone blue in the last two presidential elections. Time to vote this heartless ideologue, and all the others like him, out on their asses.
The exchanges in the states that elected not to create their own are federal sites. Sites created by contractors hired by HHS, the federal government. You saying they bear no responsibility in the debacle created by the fact that the sites, despite all the money poured into their creation ( money that won't go into direct healthcare, that's for sure) don't work? How is that the fault of the PA governor, and other governors who elected not to create their own sites?

Sounds like your hatred for your governor, likely propped up by your left-wing ideology ( or handed to you by your liberal puppetmasters) has wrecked your critical judgement of facts..... Governor Corbett responsible for woes of Obamacare, my a$$.....
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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You mean the exact inverse of what you were doing? YOu have seen the evidence that she is a poor $10K a year sufferer with a $9,000 ACA bill even though that is quite impossible.

When it comes to not be swayed by facts you generally lead the parade.
Honestly if that were the case and she was unable to find any other insurance that was less than 8% of her annual income, she'd be exempt from Obamacare.

Who Is Exempt From Obamacare's Mandate? - Law and Daily Life
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: MI
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Doesn't the ACA start with the cost to people in January 2014? She's paying now?
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Honestly if that were the case and she was unable to find any other insurance that was less than 8% of her annual income, she'd be exempt from Obamacare.

Who Is Exempt From Obamacare's Mandate? - Law and Daily Life
I think a good number would hit that 8% (those on Walmart and Fast Food wages) and the issue is what they do? Not all can just be caught by Medicaid (some states didn't expand Medicaid through Obamacare.) That is the question to me.

As for coverage gaps and hardships, does this include firings?
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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I think a good number would hit that 8% (those on Walmart and Fast Food wages) and the issue is what they do? Not all can just be caught by Medicaid (some states didn't expand Medicaid through Obamacare.) That is the question to me.

As for coverage gaps and hardships, does this include firings?
That's what I was thinking, the way they're talking about the cost of insurance policies on the exchanges, and the hardships put on the folks who get those insurance policies, there'd likely be quite a few folks who can't find insurance that costs less than 8% of their annual incomes. In some cases, they'd qualify for subsidies, but those are in the form of tax credits so they'd have to put the money up front first and get it back from the IRS at tax time. But otherwise, if they truly can't find insurance that's less than 8% of their income, looks to me that they're not required to have insurance ( thinking that's what being exempt from Obamacare means, one isn't mandated to have insurance). If they didn't have it before they're in the same boat now, I guess, unless Medicaid coverage is an option for them.

I'm guessing that coverage gaps would mean the loss of employer-provided insurance throughout the year for any reason, including job loss- being laid off, fired, or the job eliminated. I'd guess that gives one a three month grace period to get some insurance ( through the exchanges, if that's ever possible).
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