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Old 10-12-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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Good argument. Anyone that is in the slightest way for some limited gun control automatically is for this guy being beaten? How rational are you?
We have limited gun control.

 
Old 10-12-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Anomalies exist. You people feast on them though, yet never recognize those that occur in your own leftist camp.
I've owned guns for most of my life. I've never had anything happen like the incidents you people cherry-pick for your own ends.
And yes, I've had to aim a gun at another person before. Suffice to say, he backed off quickly.
Cherry pick? Anomalies? Try recent news stories. The two we mentioned were at the top of a Google search, and I'm sure there are plenty more to be found.

And as I showed above, Harvard conducted a study on road rage which revealed that gun owners are more likely to be aggressive and involved in road rage events.

Nobody is saying everyone who has a gun will end up using it during a road rage incident.

But whenever guns are involved ... it is more likely that people will end up dead ... including innocent bystanders.

Here's another recent newsstory where a gun was used during a road rage incident:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3720878.html

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A Norfolk, Va., man faces weapons charges after accidentally shooting himself in the leg during a road rage incident Tuesday. Neighbors said Rhonney Jacobs, 46, was speeding in a residential neighborhood where children were playing.
According to Fox News, a couple of men flagged Jacobs down and told him to ease up on the gas. Jacobs apparently didn't like that, so he wheeled his car around, got out and threatened them with a .45 caliber gun only a few feet from where kids were playing.
It's just another case where a gun owner escalates a minor traffic incident into full blown road rage.

And fortunately ... the gun owner was the only one who was shot that day ... with his own weapon.

Otherwise innocent people who were just protecting neighborhood children might have been killed.

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Old 10-12-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I just found this on YouTube. It's the North Carolina road rage news story we mentioned above:


Road Rage Or Self Defense! Couple Caught On Video Fighting and pointing A Gun! Kellys Court - YouTube

After following the kids in their truck for 40 minutes, the gun owner confronts the two kids and he throws the first punch as shown in the above video.

Then when the kids fight back, the wife gives the guy his gun, and the gun goes off.

This guy could have simply "let it go" immediately after it happened. He could have simply taken down the license number of the truck and reported it to the police.

But because he decided to use his gun instead, he now faces all kinds of legal charges against him.
 
Old 10-12-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Originally Posted by RD5050 View Post

But whenever guns are involved ... it is more likely that people will end up dead ... including innocent bystanders.

Here's another recent story where a gun was used during a road rage incident:

Rhonney Jacobs Shot Himself In The Leg After Allegedly Pointing Gun In Road Rage Incident: Police
A couple of anecdotal cases does not prove your 'more likely' claim. I can easily provide a couple counter-examples where the presence of a gun prevented criminal violence:

Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News
Rome home invader wearing ski mask, brass knuckles shot dead Saturday | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram


And of course it would not be difficult to find examples of vehicles being used as weapons in road rage incidents. Like the present case. Should we ban vehicles? Ban motorcycles and motorcycle helmets?
 
Old 10-12-2013, 03:49 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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A couple of anecdotal cases does not prove your 'more likely' claim. I can easily provide a couple counter-examples where the presence of a gun prevented criminal violence:

Georgia Mom Hiding With Kids, Shoots Intruder - ABC News
Rome home invader wearing ski mask, brass knuckles shot dead Saturday | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram

And of course it would not be difficult to find examples of vehicles being used as weapons in road rage incidents. Like the present case. Should we ban vehicles? Ban motorcycles and motorcycle helmets?
Keeping a gun inside your home to guard against intruders is one thing.

However, using a gun during a road rage incident is a completely different matter.

Road rage attacks start out of anger. Someone does something which pisses you off.

You should not be grabbing a weapon just because someone angers you.

And based on the Harvard study, gun owners tend to be more likely to instigate road rage attacks than non gun owners.
 
Old 10-12-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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Some folks were made for ignore......
Putting people on ignore only makes you look weak...Just saying...
 
Old 10-12-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Really?
That's yer answer to the moronic seven round limit?
Try .45 hollow points, and you won't have to spend six rounds to take down one person.
 
Old 10-12-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Originally Posted by RD5050 View Post
Keeping a gun inside your home to guard against intruders is one thing.

However, using a gun during a road rage incident is a completely different matter.

Road rage attacks start out of anger. Someone does something which pisses you off.

You should not be grabbing a weapon just because someone angers you.

And based on the Harvard study, gun owners tend to be more likely to instigate road rage attacks than non gun owners.
"A rose is a rose is a rose."--Gertrude Stein.

If you are using a gun to defend against criminal violence it hardly matters whether you're in a home or car. Likewise, if you are misusing a gun it does not matter if it is in a home, car, or in a cave.

A Florida State U study found that defensive use of guns is 3-4 times more common than criminal (mis)use of guns:
Guns and Self-Defense by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.

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Originally Posted by Kleck, PhD
Are gun defenders really vengeful vigilantes, seeking out criminals to inflict punishment on them? If this were true, we would expect defenders to express more punitive views towards criminals. Results from the National Self-Defense Survey did not support this imagery. Both with regard to support for the death penalty and opinions concerning whether the courts are sufficiently harsh towards criminals, gun defenders were essentially identical to nondefenders.
 
Old 10-12-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: california
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If you suspect that the guy ahead of you is packing, are you going to start a fight with him?
 
Old 10-12-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: california
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Do you just walk up to a gang banger and start mouthing off? why not?
Because chances are he might be packing .
Fact is , when a community is compelled to be armed ,crime drops . The reverse is also true.
The attack on black weapons has nothing to do with crime, it is due to the fear the government has dismantling the constitution assault weapons can be a car or a base ball bat.
These have been use to assault people like many other things includin
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