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Originally Posted by ahzzie
Those prices would come down drastically with a national health care system. If other countries can do it and be successful, so can we.
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No, prices would not decrease. Study Economics and then you'll understand why you cannot win.
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Originally Posted by Arlanynna
You are required to have car insurance and in most states the insurance is linked into the dmv to make that you stay covered.
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Not relevant.
Search the forum for an exchange between flordia.bob and myself. He said the same ridiculous things you just said, and I told him, the US Supreme Court will stomp it down.
Guess what? The US Supreme Court stomped it down for exactly the very same reasons I said it would.
The only reason Obamacare is still on the books, is because it is a Tax --- your Supreme Court said so.
Owning a vehicle is neither a requirement nor an obligation, rather it is a choice --- just think of it as an Abortion only different.
And, you are no doubt not aware of all of the various case law on the subject matter, because I do not have to purchase insurance to legally operate a vehicle in the State of Ohio...
....I can purchase a surety bond in lieu of insurance.
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Originally Posted by Arlanynna
Same with homeowners insurance and renters, so why would you think medical insurance would be any different?
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Your analogy fails yet again.
There is no federal or State law that requires home-owner's insurance.
That is a requirement imposed by lenders on those who want mortgages.
You can purchase an home without insurance by paying cash, or finding an alternative means of financing from a lender to does not require insurance.
Another reason your analogy is so terrible is that neither auto insurance nor homeowner's insurance force you to purchase those things that you do not want to have.
When I purchase auto insurance, the Free Market rules and I buy only what I want, and instead of having some NAZI dweeb force me to buy something I don't want.
Obamacare is tantamount to forcing a homeowner in Montana to buy earthquake insurance and hurricane insurance, even though there is no possibility that the house would ever be destroyed or damaged by an hurricane or earthquake.
You ACA supporters are forcing Americans to buy things they neither need nor want, which is quite Stalinist.
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Originally Posted by Boss
I have not seen an increase in premium costs since the ACA started to go into effect.
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That may well be the only part of what you said that has even a modicum of truth to it.
The cost of your health care is the total of what you pay, and what your employer pays.
The fact that the amount you pay did not increase is neither evidence nor proof that the total cost of your premium did not increase...it only proves that the amount you pay did not increase, and that amount is limited by law to 9.5% of your income through 2014, but starting in 2015, you will pay 9.5% of your total modified adjusted household income.....so the amount you pay might actually increase, while the amount your employer pays decreases, and your premium neither increases nor decreases.
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Originally Posted by malamute
When hospital CEO's who can't name a single patient are raking in $8 million bonuses every year, there is a problem but Obama didn't begin to address that. All he's doing is forcing us to all fund these bonuses.
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I wish I could rep you for that. The American Hospital Association was one of the largest campaign donors to Obama during the 2008 Election (I have no data on the 2012 Election).
The American Hospital Association wrote most of Obamacare.
So why would issues like what hospital administrators get paid ever be addressed?
Hospital administrators wrote Obamacare, so of course they conveniently ignored it.
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Originally Posted by ahzzie
It's called national health care. We've taken the first step with the ACA. Very few people would object to their taxes paying for something that would benefit all citizens...
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Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list.
This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
That is the United Kingdom and its vaunted National Health Service (NHS).
Can you explain to us all how those people benefited?
Those people paid 19% --- I say again for the deaf and hard of hearing --- 19% in taxes for health care...
....and they died waiting for an operation.....waiting for an available operating room....waiting for treatment.....waiting......waiting....
The risks of waiting for cardiac catheterization: a prospective study
However, only 37% of the procedures overall were completed within the requested waiting time.
Interpretation: Patients awaiting cardiac catheterization may experience major adverse events, such as death, myocardial infarction and congestive heart failure, which may be preventable. Our findings provide a benchmark by which to measure the effect of increased capacity and prioritization schemes that allow earlier access for patients at higher risk, such as those with aortic stenosis and reduced left ventricular function.
Those are Canadians....they died......waiting.....and waiting......and waiting....for a simple procedure that Americans get in matter of minutes....sometimes Americans have to wait an entire 2 hours for the procedure.....and then those Americans who are not critical and near death sometimes have to wait 4 whole long days.......those Canadians waited weeks....and waited.....and waited.....
Waiting lists exist, due to the fact that the government interferes in healthcare,
by restricting the Supply of Healthcare available.
So.....go ahead.......try all you want to spin how wonderful it is to die waiting for treatment that Americans get on-the-spot.
By the way...the mere existence of waiting lists of any kind refutes your claim that national health care is cheaper.
Spending Less ≠ Costing Less...
Mircea
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