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Old 10-14-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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Of course the flaw with this study is that many of these procedures are covered by Medicare in which the government subsidizes by over $9,000 for each recipient. Why not take Medicare recipients out of the numbers and see how many survive? I watched my neighbor a couple of years ago dying of cancer refuse to get in an ambulance because she didn't want to saddle her husband with the bill because they didn't have any insurance. She was dead at age 49. We have a great system as long as you are on Medicare, Tricare, VA, Medicaid, and a decent private plan.

Once on Medicare and Tricare, my dad was put on 1 death panel after he turned 70, for an aneurism. That if I had not stepped in, they would have let him die.

At 75, he was put on a death panel for bladder cancer, they were not going to do the procedure. The reason, his age.

At 82, he was put on another for his Parkinson, after a fall. This one got him, through the nursing they put him on. Hospice nursing and not rehab nursing. The Hospice nurses were telling me one thing and doing another. I didn't know they were Hospice I thought they were in home healthcare as they represented them selves as.

 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:03 AM
 
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More rabble...

When my assistant was suspected of having a stroke, she entered the ER around noon, had an MRI and saw a specialist all within a couple of hours - she was home in time for dinner with her husband.

Where exactly is the wait time?

FYI the more MRI in Pittsburgh vs Canada is a conservative talking point that has been debunked. Google can be your friend.
Toronto's target wait time for an MRI is 28 days, the actual provincial wait time is 62 days. That's what the private clinic are for though.

Ontario Wait Times
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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Once on Medicare and Tricare, my dad was put on 1 death panel after he turned 70, for an aneurism. That if I had not stepped in, they would have let him die.

At 75, he was put on a death panel for bladder cancer, they were not going to do the procedure. The reason, his age.

At 82, he was put on another for his Parkinson, after a fall. This one got him, through the nursing they put him on. Hospice nursing and not rehab nursing. The Hospice nurses were telling me one thing and doing another. I didn't know they were Hospice I thought they were in home healthcare as they represented them selves as.
Your dad was in the wrong country. My mother still lives in the UK. She is 88, has Parkinsons and a bunch of other stuff due to age. She gets great care on the NHS. She is still in her own home but gets social services coming in 4 times a day to help her take her meds, help her get showered and ensure that she gets her meals.

Here is the USA, my brother-in-law was diagnosed with bladder cancer at age 65. The VA refused to treat him for it . Luckily, having just turned 65, he was able to get it treated on Medicare. Had he been 64, he would have died. The doctors told him that without treatment he had 6 months at best. As it was, his share of the treatment was still $10,000 which he didn't have. He was lucky that we were able to pay it for him.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Once on Medicare and Tricare, my dad was put on 1 death panel after he turned 70, for an aneurism. That if I had not stepped in, they would have let him die.

At 75, he was put on a death panel for bladder cancer, they were not going to do the procedure. The reason, his age.

At 82, he was put on another for his Parkinson, after a fall. This one got him, through the nursing they put him on. Hospice nursing and not rehab nursing. The Hospice nurses were telling me one thing and doing another. I didn't know they were Hospice I thought they were in home healthcare as they represented them selves as.
I think you had a misunderstanding.

Nurses are following doctor's orders. They don't manage the care. And I really don't know exactly what they would be doing differently. Hospice is palliative, keep the patient comfortable type stuff, where rehab is physical therapy, etc, but nursing is nursing.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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Bottom line , i'd take the English healthcare system over the American system any day, in fact having diabetes i probably wouldnt even qualify for the American system..
 
Old 10-14-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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If Canada's system is so great why is it so many rich Canadians end up at the
Cleveland Clinic when they have something really wrong?
Lol! How many is "so many"?
Furthermore, if the American system is so great, why is it that so many seek treatment in places like India, Thailand and Mexico?
 
Old 10-14-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Once on Medicare and Tricare, my dad was put on 1 death panel after he turned 70, for an aneurism. That if I had not stepped in, they would have let him die.

At 75, he was put on a death panel for bladder cancer, they were not going to do the procedure. The reason, his age.

At 82, he was put on another for his Parkinson, after a fall. This one got him, through the nursing they put him on. Hospice nursing and not rehab nursing. The Hospice nurses were telling me one thing and doing another. I didn't know they were Hospice I thought they were in home healthcare as they represented them selves as.
One of my jobs is in a nursing home. We send our elderly residents out to get cancer treatments. No death panels.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Why in the world are so many Canadians talking about Canada when the thread is about England?
Because people in England could give 2 sh!ts about our healthcare and about what we think about their healthcare.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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1% of Canadian patients come to the US for treatment- that is about 44,000 people. Most are already here for a vacation or business trip when they have an accident or become ill.

Over 6 million US citizens seek medical care outside the US every year.
 
Old 10-14-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I work with people from the US, Canada, and Europe on a regular basis. One of my observations is, that people from the US talk about healthcare a lot. People from those other places, pretty much never.

Whether or not the level of care/outcomes is better in the US, Americans seem much more preoccupied with health care issues, to a whole different level, possibly because the insurance based model can cause anxiety in itself.
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