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Old 10-14-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chimuelojones View Post
you are conjoining state representation with the politics of the school's admistrators.

Obama is the President, does that count for anything?
North Andover is liberal, but that is irrelevant, because both liberal and conservative areas have "zero Tolerance" policies, and for 2 reasons
1) to prevent liability of the schools
2) to keep administers from playing favorites with kids who's parents they are friends with etc.

However, I think some critical thinking should go into the decisions, often the individual districts have rules to follow such as the state athletic association, (in this case MIAA) which is independent of individual districts.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm not a fan of any "zero tolerance" since it not only turns off any critical thinking skills but puts people in fear just for failing to report even they don't think something needs reporting. THAT isn't right either.

I don't know about this particular incident. For all I know she was headed to the party herself and not just "picking up a drunk friend". In either case it shouldn't be a school issue.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You must remember, we now live in a country wherein if you do not practice zero tolerance, you may not be able to get blanket liability insurance, and in the cases of school districts, you won't be able to get a retained attorney.
How come school districts can't publish a zero tolerance policy, and then exercise common sense on a case by case basis?
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:16 PM
 
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From the liberal lack of common sense department comes this doozy.



- Yahoo Screen

The girl received a call from a friend who had drank too much, arrived to give the girl a ride home, when the police showed up.

The cops determined that the Good Samaritan had not been drinking and let her go, but the school used her presence at the scene against her and cited their zero-tolerance policy to suspend the young lady.

Three questions:

(1) Why do schools have policies that affect activities that take place off-campus?

(2) What purpose does such an extreme and nonsensical purpose serve?

(3) What is your opinion - and if you agree with the school - why?
If that mess came down AT school; that's 1 thing. Since it happened AWAY from school; Andover needs to just butt OUT because it's none of its business IMHO.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Abolish public schools, and make all education private. Problem solved. You're welcome.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Abolish public schools, and make all education private. Problem solved. You're welcome.

Every complex issue has a simple, easy to understand solution that won't work.

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Old 10-15-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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How come school districts can't publish a zero tolerance policy, and then exercise common sense on a case by case basis?
Because in the future when getting sued by some kid's parents, their lawyer will cite the inconsistentcy with which the "zero tolerance" policy has been applied in the past.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Every complex issue has a simple, easy to understand solution that won't work.

Why wouldn't privatization of education work?
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Another unfortunate example of that old saying "those that can't do, teach".
and those that cant teach administrate.

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Why do you people always have to make this a Liberal v Conservative argument?

Zero tolerance policies are in operation all across the country and in districts of every political persuasion. The policies are stupid no matter whether it is a liberal or a conservative that implements them.
it doesnt matter if a liberal or conservative school board established a zero tolerance policy, they are all rubbish anyway.

and just what authority does a school board have to punish students for something not done on school property or school time? if this were at a senior prom function, i could see the school having jurisdiction, but it was off campus, and on the students private time, and thus the school had no authority to begin with.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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From the liberal lack of common sense department comes this doozy.



- Yahoo Screen

The girl received a call from a friend who had drank too much, arrived to give the girl a ride home, when the police showed up.

The cops determined that the Good Samaritan had not been drinking and let her go, but the school used her presence at the scene against her and cited their zero-tolerance policy to suspend the young lady.

Three questions:

(1) Why do schools have policies that affect activities that take place off-campus?

(2) What purpose does such an extreme and nonsensical purpose serve?

(3) What is your opinion - and if you agree with the school - why?
1) You are a known member of an athletic team and agreed to the policy of the district is at all times not just when you are at school

2) A minor regardless of her good meaning could have an accident while transporting a drunk friend. The drunk friends parents responsibility and she should have called her parents

3) Yes I agree traveling to another town to pick up a drunk friend while her parents did not know could endanger the drunk friend as well as the good Samaritan
. the volleyball player was well aware of the policy and broke the policy
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