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How many of those 55 million actually had no access to healthcare?
ZERO! They may not have had insurance but they did/do have access to healthcare. This is what proponents of Democare always forget or at least avoid, when discussing their plan.
Could you explain to us how every uninsured/underinsured has access to healthcare, please.
Are you referring to how most ERs have to accept and stabilize anyone who walks through the door, regardless of their ability to pay? Stabilizing a patient is not treating a patient.
The cost of uncompensated care becomes the cost of doing business and it's reflected in the prices paid by those with insurance and/or the means to pay for service.
You are aware that we've had romneycare here in MA for some years now and very successfully so. Everyone loves it, health insurance for all, hospitals are being built or expanded, new jobs, no more unnecessary medical tests. It works!
As I understand it, Romney did not advocate for healthcare reform in Mass. Despite this, he did sign it into law and used it as one of the crowning achievements of his single term as governor.
Sure, it was Obama's plan, but now the Democrats are running with it, and there's no way Obama can be punished when/if it drives this country to ruin. The people who will still be here that can be held accountable are the blind followers of Obama, also known as Democrats. If they want to own the plan, then we have to remind the sheeple who were responsible when the "****" hits the fan.
The plan has only been operational since the beginning of the month, i think it needs a bit more time to see how it works and what tweaks can be made to improve it.
Those righties who are foaming at the mouth against the plan have been expressing the the same pathetic attitude for everything President Obama has done or has tried to do since he took office, ,it usually goes like = hate President Obama and put everything he does or tries to do in the worst possible light ,give him credit for absolutely nothing, hating him seems to be what its all about for these sheeple ..
Sure, it was Obama's plan, but now the Democrats are running with it, and there's no way Obama can be punished when/if it drives this country to ruin. The people who will still be here that can be held accountable are the blind followers of Obama, also known as Democrats. If they want to own the plan, then we have to remind the sheeple who were responsible when the "****" hits the fan.
I agree. The Democrats have to be held accountable for this debacle, and not only for DEMOCare itself, but the way it was passed, with no debate, originating in the Senate (even though it contained new taxes, which makes it unconstitutional), and literally shoved down our throats, without anyone even having read it. As Nancy Pelosi famously said, "We must pass this bill ... then we will find out what's in it."
I call it a step backward. It is a step backward, because it takes away freedom, and it forces to buy a product they don't want. What eles is the government going to force us to buy in the future?
It literally takes food out of peoples mouths, puts home ownership at risk (it is going to make it difficult for any family to make their mortgage payments, or to buy a home, if they don't already have one).
There is not one good thing about DEMOCare. It is un-American.
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The premium/deductible situation is a reflection of the for profit nature of the U.S. healthcare system. Nothing precludes a NFP from having a profit. Some NFP hospitals make $ hundreds of millions in profit, each year and do so despite paying Sr. non MD admin management $ 7 figures comp. The tax code prevents them from using those profits to declare a dividend.
So instead, profits are used to build the hospital brand and kill or acquire the competition. Acquisition of medical practices and revenue targets create a built in pipeline for referrals and out of complex referrals are strongly discouraged. When one is the only game in town, one can charge whatever amount they want.
Big Pharma, the American Hospital Association and medical equipment manufacturers spend $ billions to lobby Congress and protect their interests.
Maybe, just maybe, ACA will wake people up and compel them to elect people who are committed to reinventing the healthcare model.
What are your credentials that allow you to make these assertions? Are you an attorney? Are you involved in the insurance business? What is your education? You are in Real Estate. What do you know about the insurance business?
I more often than not disagree with bUU - but in this instance he's right. The plan was formulated on Romneycare in Mass.
Also, bUU has my respect. Although we may disagree, he states his points or objections and moves on. He seldom resorts to the name calling, and stereotyping that so many on these boards do.
We're here to discuss - and that's what he does - may take me awhile to figure out what he's saying as his vocabulary far out ranks mine
I wouldn't give Romney that much credit for it. I lived in Massachusetts for a while and I know full well that Mass is a Democratic stronghold. That plan would have never been put through in what is now known as a Red State. Therefore it should/could also be called DEMOcare.
Could you explain to us how every uninsured/underinsured has access to healthcare, please.
Are you referring to how most ERs have to accept and stabilize anyone who walks through the door, regardless of their ability to pay? Stabilizing a patient is not treating a patient.
The cost of uncompensated care becomes the cost of doing business and it's reflected in the prices paid by those with insurance and/or the means to pay for service.
Indigent care has been around for decades before Democare was even being considered in any form. We have been paying for it in increased healthcare costs, but since Democare has begun we are paying even more than we were before. How do you rationalize that?
How amusing to see the Democrats trying to foist blame for the ACA on the Republicans. If this crap sandwich is so tasty, why aren't you statists taking credit for it?
Call it what it is: The latest leftist-fanatic Wealth Transfer program, using "health care" as an excuse.
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