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Old 10-17-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone from the right say that Obama and liberalism is destroying their Grand children's future, I could pay off the national debt. How can you argue, on one hand, that an "ism" (liberalism) of today can transcend time and impact negatively upon your grand children, yet, vehemently reject the proposition that blacks, today, are negatively impacted by "isms" (racism) of their grand parents generation?

Why is it that when blacks complain about the "isms" that we feel harm us that the right say we have a victim mentality, yet, they do not see their complaints about the "isms" that they feel harm them as the victim mentality? Why can't personal responsibility, hard work and "good culture" insulate people from liberalism as it is argued that would insulate black folks,from racism, if we had those traits....as such is said to be our REAL problem.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone from the right say that Obama and liberalism is destroying their Grand children's future, I could pay off the national debt. How can you argue, on one hand, that an "ism" (liberalism) of today can transcend time and impact negatively upon your grand children, yet, vehemently reject the proposition that blacks, today, are negatively impacted by "isms" (racism) of their grand parents generation?

Why is it that when blacks complain about the "isms" that we feel harm us that the right say we have a victim mentality, yet, they do not see their complaints about the "isms" that they feel harm them as the victim mentality? Why can't personal responsibility, hard work and "good culture" insulate people from liberalism as it is argued that would insulate black folks,from racism, if we had those traits....as such is said to be our REAL problem.
Being a slave ends when slavery is abolished. Being in debt ends once it is payed off.
Any more questions?
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Being a slave ends when slavery is abolished. Being in debt ends once it is payed off.
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So white racism ended with emancipation? Don't expect to be taken seriously today with your hyperbolic rebuttals.

That having been said, generations of not being allowed to accumulate wealth, and hence transfer wealth to the next generation, due to racism, is the transference of financial generational.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:09 PM
 
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Being a slave ends when slavery is abolished. Being in debt ends once it is payed off.
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Stupid premise destroyed in first post
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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So white racism ended with emancipation? Don't expect to be taken seriously today with your hyperbolic rebuttals.

That having been said, generations of not being allowed to accumulate wealth, and hence transfer wealth to the next generation, due to racism, is the transference of financial generational.
Dont listen to him......
I dont think anyone can deny that there is definitely an imbalance in our society and that the black community is the most affected by it. I used to feel like blacks were always crying victim too, until I looked at the statistics on crime, poverty and education statistics. That doesn't happen unless there are obstacles put in the way that dont allow one segment of our society to thrive.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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Stupid premise destroyed in first post
It seems to me that stupid would be exemplified more in refuting an assertion that was never made. I don't know.....its just me.....but when I read the title it does not say "why can the impact of liberalism transcend time and not the impact of slavery".

The average African American is at least a 10th generation Americans. If you add up all the centuries where white racism, in whatever form (slavery, Jim Crow, legal, independent racist a-holes power tripping), has cost that generation in wealth accumulation, given that wealth is past on to the next generation, how is that different from debt passed on from one generation to the next?

Not only that, racism has passed down and unequal starting point legacy. Each generation starts in the socioeconomic position and economic geography that the generation that begot them was in at the time of their birth. Thus, if a family was stunted socioeconomically and culturally by racism, then children born will start their race of life from that inherited disadvantage. Its not as if each generation is "RESET" to compete for scarce opportunities from the same socioeconomic position and condition.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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Dont listen to him......
I dont think anyone can deny that there is definitely an imbalance in our society and that the black community is the most affected by it. I used to feel like blacks were always crying victim too, until I looked at the statistics on crime, poverty and education statistics. That doesn't happen unless there are obstacles put in the way that dont allow one segment of our society to thrive.
Those who really do believe blacks are always crying victim need to get to know some actual black people. You will find that the obstacles are real, and everyone - from the President of the United States on down - experiences them daily.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone from the right say that Obama and liberalism is destroying their Grand children's future, I could pay off the national debt. How can you argue, on one hand, that an "ism" (liberalism) of today can transcend time and impact negatively upon your grand children, yet, vehemently reject the proposition that blacks, today, are negatively impacted by "isms" (racism) of their grand parents generation?

Why is it that when blacks complain about the "isms" that we feel harm us that the right say we have a victim mentality, yet, they do not see their complaints about the "isms" that they feel harm them as the victim mentality? Why can't personal responsibility, hard work and "good culture" insulate people from liberalism as it is argued that would insulate black folks,from racism, if we had those traits....as such is said to be our REAL problem.
Very good question indeed
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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Those who really do believe blacks are always crying victim need to get to know some actual black people. You will find that the obstacles are real, and everyone - from the President of the United States on down - experiences them daily.
your right and its the lazy answer
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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I guess the millions of successful black Americans didn't get the memo that they are disadvantaged.
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