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Doesn't seem to be happening here. Nobody is taking money away from hardworking people at gunpoint.....we LIKE this system, and if we didn't, we'd change it. We like it because it works.
I don't expect equal outcomes, but equal access. Not the same thing.
I agree -- Canadians are a different kind of people. You guys never did a Revolution to break away from tyranny, you are far more complacent and submissive of a people than are the normal kinds of Americans.
I agree -- Canadians are a different kind of people. You guys never did a Revolution to break away from tyranny, you are far more complacent and submissive of a people than are the normal kinds of Americans.
Huh? How? I looked into immigrating, but it seems almost impossible unless you go to school there.
Well its not easy for non-EU people, school or job is pretty much the only way but I've known Americans who've managed to immigrate here. No trouble for me though, I'm EU (plus had inherited citizenship)
Doesn't seem to be happening here. Nobody is taking money away from hardworking people at gunpoint.....we LIKE this system, and if we didn't, we'd change it. We like it because it works.
I don't expect equal outcomes, but equal access. Not the same thing.
Well, you know how backward we Colonials are. Independence, personal responsibility, rugged individuality and all that stuff, a least until fairly recently when whiners and blamers began to take over.
In any event, with any amount of luck we won't become increasingly a socialist country because that would tear the entire fabric of it. Meanwhile, I wish you and your countrymen continued success with your medical system.
I don't have a problem with the tax rates here in Finland, at least our taxes go to things that benefit us all.
OK, riddle me this...
Scenario: You, happily married with one healthy child (only routine doctor visits and attention) and a working spouse. You're successful, making well above the average wage. Your neighbor, nice fellow that he is, has six children, the youngest being a retard with extensive medical problems. You're taxed out the wazoo and he, not making nearly as much, is not. Yet he draws heavily upon the state for very expensive medical care and other attention for his brood.
Where is your benefit for contributing so much more into the system than you will ever draw out? What do you see as his obligation, having irresponsibly bred a like a rabbit, and burdening the system far out of proportion to what he will ever be able to put into it?
Do you think any of this is fair, or are you of the hive mentality that thinks it's a wonderful world?
Would you ever draw a line anywhere on behavior which burdens the collective unreasonably?
Do you understand the difference between "want" and "need"?
What is the responsibility of a democratically-elected government to its' populace?
FWIW, I do not have a problem with taxes that benefit ALL equally (or somewhat close to equally).
Who is paying for your right to be protected by the military? Who is paying for your police and fire protection? I'll let you answer these. From that answer you should be able to figure out who will pay for health care. Pretty simple really.
Exactly.
While I no longer pay an income tax (I'm on disability due to a serious work injury), as a property owner, I DO pay property taxes. I also pay a sale's tax on everything except for food.
My money helps to support the local school district, even though I no longer have kids in public school, and it also goes to support emergency services, which I have been lucky enough to have not needed, among other services.
As far as I'm concerned, that is all part of being part of a civilized society - one in which taxes go towards a "common good" - good roads, school, fire protection..........and, yes, medical services for all.
To be honest, if I were still working, I would be much happier to see my money go towards health care for others than to finance some other stupid and unnecessary war (like Bush's Iraq).
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