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View Poll Results: Access to health care is...
A necessity 143 87.73%
A privilege 20 12.27%
Voters: 163. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-18-2013, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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A doctor, farmer, etc. is free to choose another occupation.
A doctor could become a baker or mechanic, I suppose....
But wait! Then they'll be forced to make cookies and fix cars!
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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So you believe that people who can't afford health care should just die in the gutter like animals. Duly noted.

But remember that even Ayn Rand, hallowed be Her name, accepted government-funded health care toward the end of Her life. Apparently she thought she was entitled to someone else's work after all.
Short of begging for charity or resorting to theft, what choice do the poor have?

There are only so many doctors, so many nurses and so much medicine. In the capitalistic society, they are bound under the law of supply and demand, and even in a communist society they are bound by the supply.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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A doctor's services, food, water, shelter, jobs. If we don't have access to those, all we can do is beg and hope for mercy. Otherwise, we'd be forced to resort to theft.
We live in a civil society where we can exchange our labor for things that we need.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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How is it a right if someone has to be forced to work to provide it to you?
It's not and it's not a right if we have to pay for it. Is Social security a right?
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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It's not and it's not a right if we have to pay for it. Is Social security a right?
Social security is a tax. The Supreme Court said we are not entitled to it.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It's neither.

It's a product that you and I can choose to buy or not.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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It's neither.

It's a product that you and I can choose to buy or not.
An unconscious accident victim doesn't have a choice of whether to "buy" healthcare -- even assuming he or she would refuse to do so if given a chance.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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An unconscious accident victim doesn't have a choice of whether to "buy" healthcare -- even assuming he or she would refuse to do so if given a chance.
Which brings up the question: Is it ethical to bill someone for services rendered while they were unconscious, and had no option to accept or reject said obligations?
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: California
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It should be a necessity and it should be affordable but plenty of people would rather drive that nice car or whatever instead of buying health insurance.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Which brings up the question: Is it ethical to bill someone for services rendered while they were unconscious, and had no option to accept or reject said obligations?
By law, a doctor is required to give emergency services if they work in the ER, regardless of health insurance.
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