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View Poll Results: Access to health care is...
A necessity 143 87.73%
A privilege 20 12.27%
Voters: 163. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-18-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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How is it a right if it's rationed by the government and you have to pay for it?
I live in Canada and as in most developed nations is is considered a human right...The US is lagging behind the rest of the developed world regarding human rights.

WHO Constitution: "the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being..."

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Old 10-18-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Wherever I happen to be at the moment
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So you believe that people who can't afford health care should just die in the gutter like animals. Duly noted.

But remember that even Ayn Rand, hallowed be Her name, accepted government-funded health care toward the end of Her life. Apparently she thought she was entitled to someone else's work after all.
Extreme hyperbole and trying to put words in someone else's mouth duly noted.

The question was pretty basic. Should a person be forced by government to pay for someone else's health care. A mature response may have pointed out that we've been doing so for almost five decades. It's called "Medicaid." The so-called ACA takes it a step further however and permits the government to dig even deeper into your pockets over-and-above what you were already paying through normal taxation. Perhaps that's what some are finding objectionable along with the entire notion of income redistribution which is the antithesis of the hard work, independent values upon which this country was founded. If you and your ilk don't believe in them...

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Old 10-18-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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I live in Canada and as in most developed nation is is considered a human right...The US is lagging behind the rest of the developed world regarding human rights.

WHO Constitution: "the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being..."

You pay for your healthcare through taxes. In America we don't call something we have to pay for a right.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Wherever I happen to be at the moment
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I live in Canada and as in most developed nation is is considered a human right...The US is lagging behind the rest of the developed world regarding human rights.

WHO Constitution: "the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being..."
The World Health Organization's constitution is not binding upon this nation. Here's a reality check for you. We were not developed as nor have we yet totally become, the current Administration's efforts notwithstanding, a totally socialist nation. Hopefully we won't unless and until our Constitution is changed to permit it.

I count as a blessing that I'm old enough that I'll never live to see it come to that as it would, in my estimation, destroy the very fiber of my country and erase the last vestiges of personal independence and the values, incentives and rewards of hard work.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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WHO Constitution: "the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being..."
Me. "The enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of playing golf in a country club is one of the fundamentals rights of every human being".
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The question was pretty basic. Should a person be forced by government to pay for someone else's health care. .
If I can't afford to pay for my own health care, how can I also pay for some other person's health care?
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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You pay for your healthcare through taxes. In America we don't call something we have to pay for a right.
And when we have to pay for it for someone else who could but doesn't work we call it a burden!
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Someting I wrote years ago, as relevant now as it was then:

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What Are Our "Rights"? by Little-Acorn


The projected life span for males when the constitution was written was about 35-39 years old depending on source. That was about the same as it was 1800 years prior.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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If I can't afford to pay for my own health care, how can I also pay for some other person's health care?
You probably can't but you can be taxed more (fined) for the privilege of not being able to.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How is it a right if it's rationed by the government and you have to pay for it?
Bearing arms is a right. States and municipalities tend to regulate it. You have to pay for it.
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