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I came across a story on the rollout of Medicare in 1965. Then like now, people were required to enroll, doctors said they would never participate, and Republicans dedicated the party to destroying the new program. Now, 50 odd years later, the same people who would fight to the end for their Medicare are doing all they can to fight against the new kid on the block, Obamacare.
The article is quite entertaining and the parallels to then and now are educational. The guy who dug up his mothers tombstone to prove his identity is classic. Wonder if it would work today...
The article is quite entertaining and the parallels to then and now are educational. The guy who dug up his mothers tombstone to prove his identity is classic. Wonder if it would work today...
Obama lied about the circumstances surrounding his own mother's death in an effort to persuade people just how badly we needed something like Obamacare. Does that work today?
But honestly, it's not an apples to apples comparison. For starters, Obamacare is depenedent on young, healhty people to enroll and pay exorbitant premiums to support the older, pre-Medicare crowd. Medicare was depenedent on the over-65 crowd to enroll.
Also, Medicare at $3 a month in 1965 is a hell of a lot cheaper than Obamacare at $hundreds of dollars a month in 2013.
Medicare is also home to approximately $85 billion in fraud annually, or nearly $1 trillion over the next decade of the program. Government programs are ALWAYS ripe for fraud, because the government rarely has controls put in place to maximize efficiency and compliance. Hell, even the dolts over at the IRS estimate tax fraud fraud to be in the neighborhood of $5 billion a year.
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Originally Posted by gomexico
Obamacare isn't a "government program."
Nope it isn't... But as soon as it was tied to the IRS and the bureaucrats got their hand in it... well... if it looks and smells like a t*rd.... it's probably .... you know....
...as did Medicare Part D. But who really cares, as the end result will still be the original intent...to supply affordable health insurance to the people that would otherwise do without. The end will justify the means, no matter how chaotic the rollout was.
I came across a story on the rollout of Medicare in 1965. Then like now, people were required to enroll, doctors said they would never participate, and Republicans dedicated the party to destroying the new program. Now, 50 odd years later, the same people who would fight to the end for their Medicare are doing all they can to fight against the new kid on the block, Obamacare.
The article is quite entertaining and the parallels to then and now are educational. The guy who dug up his mothers tombstone to prove his identity is classic. Wonder if it would work today...
Same old story....
Introduced by various House and Senate sponsors and subject to extensive hearings, the basic framework of part A began to reflect accommodations between the sponsors, the Administration and the American Hospital Association (AHA).
It ranged all the way from principles of institutional reimbursement, which has been pretty thoroughly already worked out in a general way for their own purposes between Blue Cross and the Hospital Association over a period of several years
The American Hospital Associationhas already nominated the Blue Cross organization for its membership, although some member hospitals will undoubtedly elect out of this arrangement. We have proceeded very far in the development of working arrangements with Blue Cross, although no formal approval as a fiscal intermediary has yet been given them.
Source: Report to Social Security Administration Staff on the Implementation of the Social Security Amendments of 1965, Robert M. Ball Commissioner, November 15, 1965
The American Hospital Association donates to the election coffers of Senators and Representatives and gets to write the Medicare legislation....
....the American Hospital Association donates to the election coffers of Obama and gets to write Obamacare.
Yeah, gosh....the parallels.....what exactly did you learn?
Well, one thing you didn't learn was keeping Special Interest Groups and Lobbyists out of Washington (DC).
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc
But who really cares, as the end result will still be the original intent...to supply affordable health insurance to the people that would otherwise do without.
The Medicare program is going bankrupt...how's that working out for everybody?
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc
The end will justify the means, no matter how chaotic the rollout was.
Yes, but of course......the ends justify the means....classic totalitarianism.
Not amused...
Introduced by various House and Senate sponsors and subject to extensive hearings, the basic framework of part A began to reflect accommodations between the sponsors, the Administration and the American Hospital Association (AHA).
It ranged all the way from principles of institutional reimbursement, which has been pretty thoroughly already worked out in a general way for their own purposes between Blue Cross and the Hospital Association over a period of several years
The American Hospital Associationhas already nominated the Blue Cross organization for its membership, although some member hospitals will undoubtedly elect out of this arrangement. We have proceeded very far in the development of working arrangements with Blue Cross, although no formal approval as a fiscal intermediary has yet been given them.
Source: Report to Social Security Administration Staff on the Implementation of the Social Security Amendments of 1965, Robert M. Ball Commissioner, November 15, 1965
The American Hospital Association donates to the election coffers of Senators and Representatives and gets to write the Medicare legislation....
....the American Hospital Association donates to the election coffers of Obama and gets to write Obamacare.
Yeah, gosh....the parallels.....what exactly did you learn?
Well, one thing you didn't learn was keeping Special Interest Groups and Lobbyists out of Washington (DC).
The Medicare program is going bankrupt...how's that working out for everybody?
Yes, but of course......the ends justify the means....classic totalitarianism.
Not amused...
Mircea
First of all...
Neither Medicare nor Social Security are going bankrupt. The media and public should not be fooled by Paul Ryan’s lies. They are designed to trick Americans into accepting the sort of society an Ayn Rand acolyte like Ryan wants us to live in — where everyone is on their own, and a wealthy elite is the only class who gets to have a comfortable retirement.
Second of all...Medicare Part D was a big fat wet kiss from Bush to Big Pharma that the right wing had no issues with ..., but beside the point, the Part D rollout was awful and eventually the glitches and confusion were ironed out.
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