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Old 10-23-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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The attention being paid to the website is grossly out of proportion in the first place. From all the headlines, you would think that every American needs to get on there NOW. The website impacts what do they say, 15% of the people in the country and mostly they are the poor and forgotten every other day of the year. Eventually the vast majority of people will come to the realization that the website issues have nothing to do with them - their employer has their backs for insurance - and it will fade to page 3.
The cons know they totally lost over the shutdown debacle and are now trying to recoup their losses by blowing the problems with the ACA website all out of proportion.

You'd think anybody with half a brain could see through their tactics. Oh, wait.............lol

 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Mark my words, when it all falls apart, rather than admit failure and scrap it, they will want more money for all of it. The cost will grow and grow, as all pathetic government programs. Then, when some in Washington fight back and refuse to fund, they will start their usual name calling and rhetoric about how this person/group doesnt care about uninsured people.

Government dependency will grow even bigger in this country, as if it isnt high enough. But that is exactly what the liberals want. Its not about helping anyone, its about creating a larger number of dependents, a more powerful government, less freedom.
I agree with the first part, not the second part.

I see in-fighting if it falls apart (it looks like it could but I will be fair and take the wait and see approach.) Because of how the Democrats pushed the bill out. Let's face it, it was one of the most unfair methods with "Let's vote it in to see what's inside."

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Umm, if no one can sign up, then there's nothing for the "core of the ACA" to apply to. Further, it's irresponsible for anyone, including you, to declare ACA a victory when in fact no one, including you, can determine if the program will actually be solvent. Solvency is the measure for which this program will be evaluated, not the mere fact that it is a law. ACA does not exist in a vacuum. If it becomes top heavy due to more sickly enrollees then healthy enrollees, it will collapse.

Of course, we wouldn't expect the swooner's to acknowledge that, though.

That is the problem I have with the spin from the Obama admin. They talk about the other ways rather than answering the "Will Healthcare.gov be working by March?" question. ACA can fail due to more unhealthy enrollees than healthier ones.

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He can't now. 100% of people who have signed up in Oregon are on the new expanded Medicaid rolls. Same for 90% of those signed up in WA.
If he delays the individual mandate now, no one will be paying for all these new freeloaders (for lack of a better word).

The costs will be huge and not offset by healthy people. The whole thing will go into almost an immediate death spiral. And at a huge cost to the taxpayers.
That is an issue too. We need people who will pay for the sick and unhealthy. Without that 2.8 million young healthy people enrolling, the law is sunk.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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I hate it when some Republicans cave into the Democrat's anti-American agendas just because they are worried about offending someone and desperately seeking votes from special interest groups that don't have the nation's or its citizens best interests at heart. For example caving in to amnesty for illegal aliens.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Default Just Fine: A Southerner's Way of Denial?

"The core of the ACA works just fine . . . "

"Just fine" seems to be a Southerner's, and a black Southerner's way in particular, of smoothing over obvious problems when in denial.

Public schools in inner cities do "just fine." Government subsidized housing does "just fine." And now the core of Obamacare works "just fine."

And once again, the majority of American tax payers will see an increase in taxes and a reduction in services for a product they never wanted or asked for but it will be "just fine."

We spent multi millions of dollars on a healthcare.gov website that works "just fine" when obviously it doesn't work.

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Old 10-23-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
The attention being paid to the website is grossly out of proportion in the first place. From all the headlines, you would think that every American needs to get on there NOW. The website impacts what do they say, 15% of the people in the country and mostly they are the poor and forgotten every other day of the year. Eventually the vast majority of people will come to the realization that the website issues have nothing to do with them - their employer or Uncle Sugar has their backs for insurance - and it will fade to page 3. It is really the insurance companies that have the most to lose here. Expect them to step up to the plate with alternative ways of recruiting the 15% very shortly.
I don't think it is out of proportion. The question is how quick the A-team can get to it before March (because uninsured Americans (either by cut down jobs or seeking a cheaper healthcare option) will need to be in there by mid March.) The admin has three months (as we are in late October) to REALLY fix it before it ruins the act.

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The cons know they totally lost over the shutdown debacle and are now trying to recoup their losses by blowing the problems with the ACA website all out of proportion.

You'd think anybody with half a brain could see through their tactics. Oh, wait.............lol
I don't think it is part of the shut down debate. Had we not had the shut down, I think the problem could have been magnified and be several phases faster into the fix than it is now.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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It's entertaining to watch the GOP practically salivate over the issues the website has had under some misguided hope that this spells the end of the ACA.

Here are a few things to remember.
1). Most Americans already have health insurance, so the website is of no relevance to them.
2). Because of the law...an array of new benefits are available even to those that don't need the website.
3). 26 year olds can stay on their parents insurance.
4). 80% of paid premium has to be spent on care.
5). No more denials for pre-existing conditions.
6). Seniors have new discounts for their prescriptions.
7). You can call 800-318-2596 to apply for healthcare
8). You can print off the PDF of the healthcare application and mail it in.

The ACA is moving along JUST fine. Despite your best efforts and conjecture...The administration is still committed to providing coverage for all Americans.

White House: Health law's more than a website
Wow, you don't understand a thing....

1. They do, but now they're required to buy what the GOVERNMENT wants them to buy, not what they choose to.
2. Because of the law, people have to BUY MORE BENEFITS, including ones they have no need for. This is HARDLY a benefit to the individual.
3. Ohhhhh... Wow, yes. Failure to launch must be accomodated.
4. That's stupid. Insurance is not a charity. It is a risk sharing contract. This invites people buying it only AFTER they get ill, and dumping it ASAP. Or, as smarter people say... "invites abuse". Or, as you call it "redefining abuse as a right".
5. So we're doing all this to subsidize some more medicines?
6. I'm sorry, what kind of stupid are you? You don't buy healthcare there, you buy INSURANCE. Health care is purchased from people in the business of providing it.
7. So, what you're saying, is that the government needs to advertise for the insurance companies, and become their taxpayer funded marketing agent. Sensible people call this "crony capitalism". You praise it.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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I don't think it is out of proportion. The question is how quick the A-team can get to it before March (because uninsured Americans (either by cut down jobs or seeking a cheaper healthcare option) will need to be in there by mid March.) The admin has three months (as we are in late October) to REALLY fix it before it ruins the act.

I don't think it is part of the shut down debate. Had we not had the shut down, I think the problem could have been magnified and be several phases faster into the fix than it is now.
The federal government practically shuts down from Thanksgiving to New Year's because of the holidays and vacation and leave time of the Federal government civil servants.

Plus, if Washington, D.C. has just one or two inches of snow, they will be off work and that will be another Snowmageddon.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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I'm Conservative and there are three major things that bug me about the Republicans:

1.) For how much Republicans talk about freedom, too many of them take hard line stance on social issues like abortion, birth control, the drug war and gay marriage. Restricting the freedom of people who have different beliefs than you is oppressive, no matter how much I may personally disagree with it. I'm strongly pro-life, but know that criminalizing abortion will just make it more dangerous, not go away, so I oppose laws that intend to outlaw abortion.

2.) How stubborn they are regarding cuts to the military. We do not require a national defense of the size, scope, influence and expense that we have. If we expect Democrats to make cuts to programs important to them, the GOP has to make sacrifices and cut spending on the military. Let's let the rest of the world support their own defense, rather than letting the US play world police.

3.) They're horribly inefficient in getting their message out or defending their values. Ask young people what they think of when they hear Republican and it's all negative -- racist, rich, old white men, bigots. That might accurately represent the Republican fringe, but it's a stereotype that has been applied to the entire party by savvy people throughout the media. TV shows, movies, talk shows and popular websites all have been effective carriers of the message that the GOP is all of these things and there is no competent rebuttal or defense.

These issues are absolute poison to the demographics the GOP can't seem to gain traction with. Without gaining some support of minorities, women and the under 30 crowd, they're up for defeat after defeat (nationally) until they ease up on their hardline stance on social issues and can effectively rebrand themselves.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:48 AM
Status: "On the road with Kid Charlamagne" (set 23 hours ago)
 
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LOL @ "tech surge"
Still laughing about this myself.

It's only a matter of time before "tech surge" finds its way on to Urban Dictionary, with some hilarious sexual reference to surfing porn.

Obama's little Sham-Wow!-inspired "pep talk" was almost as funny as Nancy Pelosi's comment that she made in between Botox injections (not covered under Obamacare, btw):

“I think somebody should fix it. Coming from where I do in California, I have great confidence in technology and its ability to bring fresh eyes to the subject and fix it so that we can go forward,” Pelosi told reporters. “Just fix it, just fix it.”

I wish her mother or father had "just fixed it" before they decided to procreate.....

Read more: Nancy Pelosi on Obamacare: ?Just fix it? - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by curly_Q View Post
The federal government practically shuts down from Thanksgiving to New Year's because of the holidays and vacation and leave time of the Federal government civil servants.

Plus, if Washington, D.C. has just one or two inches of snow, they will be off work and that will be another Snowmageddon.
The issue is because of the nature of the enrollment process, I think the holiday and snow issues will be swept up. One day could be the issue here.
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