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Old 10-22-2013, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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They why do people come to the US to get their operations? They can get them in the UK if they can wait for months on end and won't die first.
Would you care to grace us with some statistics about how many Brits go to the US for health care?
After all, you seem to know so much about it.
Thanks ever so much.

 
Old 10-22-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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They why do people come to the US to get their operations? They can get them in the UK if they can wait for months on end and won't die first.
But they can go private in the UK too? You know why sometimes people travel overseas? The US has certain specialists in rare disorders that we don't have. And plastic surgery. But it's very uncommon to travel there to get treatment.

Also the 'dying on waiting lists' claim is a myth. The average wait for elective surgery in the uk is 6-8 weeks. If it's an emergency you get seen straight away.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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He could have purchased insurance, but at a higher cost. There is ALWAYS insurance available, but risk comes into play, therefore, premiums are higher.

For instance.....when you have a history of auto accidents, your rates are much higher that one who has a clean record.

You and your caring friends could have, and should have chipped in and helped him buy insurance.
Apparently, this is how you rationalize situations as this to alleviate any guilt feelings.

You do realize that (before the ACA law) health insurance companies would sell a policy but would not pay for any medical expenses related to a preexisting condition, don't you? If you didn't realize this, you cannot appreciate the ACA.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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In a civilized country no one should be put in a position where healthcare becomes a question of someone not being able to afford healthcare. Healthcare should be available to everyone,
Who Pays for it? every one pays for it, who benefits? every one benefits.
Some of us believe healthcare is a human right.

Others seem to have no issue with being the proverbial death panel and lowering the boom if one cannot pay.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Incidentally, why do so many Americans LEAVE the US to get health care?
 
Old 10-22-2013, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Not one leftie responded to my truthful statement about what Ron Paul was asked.

He was diractly asked "If a young man had the opportunity to purchase insurance, but refused to, and then had a serious accident, should he be allowed to die?" Ron Paul answered as I would have...."It's nobody elses responsibility to pay for his poor decision."

So no.....I personally wouldn't want to let him die, but HE made the decision before that to let himself die.

Once we get past feeling sorry for those who made poor decisions, the sooner we'll be back on track as a nation.

Place blame where it belongs.....
What if a young man could not afford insurance and had a serious accident? Then what?
 
Old 10-22-2013, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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But they can go private in the UK too? You know why sometimes people travel overseas? The US has certain specialists in rare disorders that we don't have. And plastic surgery. But it's very uncommon to travel there to get treatment.

Also the 'dying on waiting lists' claim is a myth. The average wait for elective surgery in the uk is 6-8 weeks. If it's an emergency you get seen straight away.
The way these people carry on, you'd think we're tripping over dead bodies in the streets.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How come you don't have the optioin of:

Call the hospital and work out a payment plan that this person can afford?

Sometimes common sense is not so common..............
Depends on what landed you in the hospital and the size of the bill which can be equal to a new car or a home. Don't forget follow up, treatment if necessary and meds.

Best case for you is that a portion of the bill will be written off and becomes the cost of doing business which is reflected in the price everyone else pays, because you chose to be uninsured.

Worst case for you is if the bill is big enough, the hospital will pursue a court order for wage garnishment and slap a lien on your property. You can always file for bankruptcy in which case we are right back to those who have insurance paying more because you chose to be uninsured.

It's circular.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 09:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Depends on what landed you in the hospital and the size of the bill which can be equal to a new car or a home. Don't forget follow up, treatment if necessary and meds.

Best case for you is that a portion of the bill will be written off and becomes the cost of doing business which is reflected in the price everyone else pays, because you chose to be uninsured.

Worst case for you is if the bill is big enough, the hospital will pursue a court order for wage garnishment and slap a lien on your property. You can always file for bankruptcy in which case we are right back to those who have insurance paying more because you chose to be uninsured.

It's circular.
Or you could pay off the bill over a large period of time.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
He could have purchased insurance, but at a higher cost. There is ALWAYS insurance available, but risk comes into play, therefore, premiums are higher.

For instance.....when you have a history of auto accidents, your rates are much higher that one who has a clean record.

You and your caring friends could have, and should have chipped in and helped him buy insurance.
He lived in Nevada which is one of many states that has no law that compelled insurers to insure those with pre-existing conditions no matter how long ago it occurred. In this guy's case, he had an ongoing condition. Nevada did not operate a high risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions.

Unfortunately for him, he was in the wrong state, at the wrong time.
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