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Old 10-26-2013, 10:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
It sounds perfectly fair to me. Maybe it's just one of the many reasons your medical costs are totally out of control.
Read it and weep.

21 graphs that show America’s health-care prices are ludicrous
You are wasting your breath. Americans love being ripped off by the health care industry. Instead of looking for ways to make health care better or cheaper they would rather drop their pants and bend over so that the industry can have their way with them. They are defeatists who, when confronted with evidence that other countries do it better, throw their hand up in the air and exclaim "it will never work here". There is no 'can do' mentality when it comes to health care. Just an abject surrender to the cartels and lobbyists who tell them what to think.

 
Old 10-26-2013, 11:09 PM
 
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Most Patients Happy With German Health Care

German health benefits are very generous. And there's usually little or no wait to get elective surgery or diagnostic tests, such as MRIs. It's one of the world's best health care systems, visible in little ways that most Germans take for granted.

Most Patients Happy With German Health Care : NPR

The USA could stand to take few lessons from the Germans on healthcare and workplace ethics where unions are just respected, but preferred.
 
Old 10-26-2013, 11:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
True. A German woman was telling me that in her country, everyone gets basic coverage, but the well-off people have something much better.

Since the taxes are high, only the rich can afford health insurance and that allows them to have much shorter wait times when seeing doctors. Everyone else has to sit in waiting rooms filled with people and wait even 8 hours to see a doctor.

Here in the USA, we have more options. Even average wage people can find doctors who have short wait times.



Are you kidding me lol Please tell me where this is since I wait forever for my doc to see me.
 
Old 10-26-2013, 11:41 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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What is wrong is we the people must get over the " socialistic" connection that comes with healthcare for all. Good health IS a right in most first world nations, here included one way or another. What needs to be done is get the insurance companies out of the health care business , and then cost/ prices will go down. It's a monopoly now, playing with a basic need like living is a bad thing.We do not need any " insurance" what we do need is a positive outlook for everyone's future. If we as a country want better healthcare we need to fire the insurance companies as a good start..........I hate insurance Companies with a passion , who think playing with people's lives for profit is a good thing.
 
Old 10-27-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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National health care hasn't worked in any other country
A bold statement, unsupported by anything but your raw opinion, it would seem.

Here's a Map of the Countries That Provide Universal Health Care (America's Still Not on It) - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

The rest of the developed world has made it work pretty well. The US "privatized" system is the most costly and far from the most effective system in the world. An illness or injury drives thousands into bankruptcy annually here.

THAT is what isn't working.
 
Old 10-27-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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A bold statement, unsupported by anything but your raw opinion, it would seem.

Here's a Map of the Countries That Provide Universal Health Care (America's Still Not on It) - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

The rest of the developed world has made it work pretty well. The US "privatized" system is the most costly and far from the most effective system in the world. An illness or injury drives thousands into bankruptcy annually here.

THAT is what isn't working.
Uh....I'm pretty sure 70Ford's post was sarcasm.
 
Old 10-27-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
It sounds perfectly fair to me. Maybe it's just one of the many reasons your medical costs are totally out of control.
Read it and weep.

21 graphs that show America’s health-care prices are ludicrous
awe. a blog. and from an american newspaper. aren't you just precious.
 
Old 10-27-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
True. A German woman was telling me that in her country, everyone gets basic coverage, but the well-off people have something much better.

Since the taxes are high, only the rich can afford health insurance and that allows them to have much shorter wait times when seeing doctors. Everyone else has to sit in waiting rooms filled with people and wait even 8 hours to see a doctor.

Here in the USA, we have more options. Even average wage people can find doctors who have short wait times.
8 hour waits sound extreme, but then I don't know, having never sought out health care in Germany.

Wait times in a US office depend on lots of things, including how tightly the pts are scheduled, etc.
 
Old 10-27-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The USA could stand to take few lessons from the Germans on healthcare and workplace ethics where unions are just respected, but preferred.
And TAXES.

Note how the countries that have national healthcare have HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax systems to PAY for it:



Other countries' taxes are highly regressive - Washington Post

Are those of you wishing the U.S. had national healthcare willing to do what it takes to fund it: transition the U.S. out of our progressive tax system and into a highly regressive tax system?
 
Old 10-27-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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And TAXES.

Note how the countries that have national healthcare have HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax systems to PAY for it:



Other countries' taxes are highly regressive - Washington Post

Are those of you wishing the U.S. had national healthcare willing to do what it takes to fund it: transition the U.S. out of our progressive tax system and into a highly regressive tax system?
I noted how some countries with a high tax rate were cherry picked to make a point.
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