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Old 10-23-2013, 11:35 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I believe that since the confederate flag has such a significant association with slavery, it is legitimately considered offensive.....
Only by the uninformed, misinformed, ignorant, or the truly stupid.

 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Why are you asking conservatives? The Democrat Party was behind both the KKK and the Confederacy. Ask yourself.
Finally, someone who recognizes the fact that Democrats created both the KKK and the Confederacy.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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It's a fair association though.

KKK started in the South. Most KKK member are certainly conservatives. It was the symbol for the south in the Civil War and was the main symbol used by those opposed to Civil rights. And it's still a popular symbol for the KKK and other Southern extremist white supremacist groups.

Come on...get real here.
The logic you are using isn't incorrect. There are (however) some misconceptions about what is called the Confederate Flag. The Stars & Bars is actually not the Confederate flag, but their battle flag that wasn't even created at the start of the Civil War. The KKK used it because - in their diluted minds - they were continuing the war (so the battle flag was used). Most people don't even realize this isn't the flag of the Confederacy.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Our nation's flag was most certainly founded with the defense of slavery. It was debated and accepted. Not everyone was for it, but opponents were not a large minority and some of the abolitionists were southerners. Our flag represents racism, genocide and slavery. We have come to either ignore it or just live with it and focus on the hope it represents for everyone's future. That is something that all flags can represent despite it's evil history.
I see your argument, and it's a good one. So how do you make the distinction between the KKK and the Confederate flags when both come from the same place & time?

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When you invent meanings and assign them randomly to stuff, there's no explanation on earth why you can't understand reality, other than that you choose to ignore it, and substitute your own imagination.
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When you imagine reality, rather than study it, you become the person who says dumb stuff like the above.
When you want to sound like you're being smart, but really aren't saying anything, you write what pnwmdk wrote.

You see how everyone else in this thread is forming their thoughts into something coherent? Try it. At least then you don't come across as some sort of wannabe intellectual.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'm having a really hard time understanding how one symbol of racism is acceptable to you, but another symbol of racism is offensive.


The KKK was started in Indiana. Weren't they a Union Territory??
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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The logic you are using isn't incorrect. There are (however) some misconceptions about what is called the Confederate Flag. The Stars & Bars is actually not the Confederate flag, but their battle flag that wasn't even created at the start of the Civil War. The KKK used it because - in their diluted minds - they were continuing the war (so the battle flag was used). Most people don't even realize this isn't the flag of the Confederacy.
Fair enough.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The KKK was started in Indiana. Weren't they a Union Territory??
Indiana? I doubt it. But it was definitely started by Confederate officers.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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The KKK was started in Indiana. Weren't they a Union Territory??
It started in Tennessee. But it probably had its strongest hold outside of the south in Indiana.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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I see your argument, and it's a good one. So how do you make the distinction between the KKK and the Confederate flags when both come from the same place & time?
What is being used by the KKK is actually not the flag of the Confederacy, but rather their Battle Flag and it wasn't created until a year (or so) after the start of the Civil War. The KKK use the Battle Flag because (in their small minds) they are continuing the war. This fact is lost even on many in the south.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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What is being used by the KKK is actually not the flag of the Confederacy, but rather their Battle Flag and it wasn't created until a year (or so) after the start of the Civil War. The KKK use the Battle Flag because (in their small minds) they are continuing the war. This fact is lost even on many in the south.
Regardless of it's role in the CSA, the flag came from the same place that the KKK did. One is accepted as racist, and the other is proudly defended. How do you reconcile those two positions?
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