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Old 10-24-2013, 06:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
It's insane how people twist everything into "us vs them" political shouting match. There is nothing political about this incident.

You did read the article, right? If it is what you say, then it would have never been brought up. It would be just another gun stolen...but since it was a GOP congress woman...well hell.........and the left takes it and runs....saying look look look...oh oh oh....a GOP person was robbed...of their gun......

Damn pathetic of the left......
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The left will make it political because of their hatred of guns. This attack on things they know little to nothing about will make sure that the house and senate are divided and not much will ever get done.
According to an article someone quoted the Congresswoman saying "I would also like to know why the gun was not in the safe", so it seems it was an honest mistake, and she agrees it would have been better if it was in the safe. That's why she bought the safe, isn't it? The safe serves two purposes: to keep the guns safe from people, and to keep people safe from the guns. It serves no purpose if the guns are not in the safe.

If you took off your $5000 Rolex and temporarily left it on the counter of a bar, and when you turn around you see it gone, would you cry about being a victim, or would you smack yourself for being sloppy? Most people, no matter which party they support, would smack themselves, and then call the cops to report the crime. So, the answer is both, you are the victim, AND you smack yourself. Looks like the Congresswoman is smacking herself, while reporting the crime. Yes, it is not her "fault", but she knows she could have prevented the crime if she had followed her normal routine of storing the AR in the safe. How is this an unreasonable observation. The Congresswoman seems to agree with it, so why can't her CD fans agree?
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:06 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I have no obligation to keep my gun in a safe unless law requires it of me. Its my home and if I want to keep it on top of the TV its my right.
And you gun nuts wonder why we don't bother listening to you when tell us that guns are OK because responsible gun owners always keep their guns away from children and criminals.

Also when you tell us that criminals don't obey laws so there's no point to gun laws.

But the entire gist of this thread is:

A. No one should have to worry about criminals breaking into their home because there are laws against trespassing and burglary! (Which are helpfully quoted ad nauseum all over the thread.)

B. There's no need to secure your weapons in your home because it's your Constitutional right to make them available to any dumb nut who wants to walk off with them, no matter what age or mental condition.


Got it.

BTW, is this where the "it's the fault of our mental health care system" talking point comes in? Because anyone who believes all of the above are simultaneously true certainly needs mental health treatment.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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And you gun nuts wonder why we don't bother listening to you when tell us that guns are OK because responsible gun owners always keep their guns away from children and criminals.

Also when you tell us that criminals don't obey laws so there's no point to gun laws.

But the entire gist of this thread is:

A. No one should have to worry about criminals breaking into their home because there are laws against trespassing and burglary! (Which are helpfully quoted ad nauseum all over the thread.)

B. There's no need to secure your weapons in your home because it's your Constitutional right to make them available to any dumb nut who wants to walk off with them, no matter what age or mental condition.


Got it.

BTW, is this where the "it's the fault of our mental health care system" talking point comes in? Because anyone who believes all of the above are simultaneously true certainly needs mental health treatment.

Should she have been more responsible? Yes. However; I believe the perpetrator exhibited way more irresponsibility by walking right in and helping themselves to her personal belongings! I guess the old lesson of keep your hands off of things that don't belong to you is outdated in this day and age! Think about what could have happened if the thief walked in to burglarize the home, and was shot! Actions have consequences, and his actions if he continues down the path of stealing will either cause him to wind up in jail, or dead!
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:21 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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someone broke into her house. More proof that criminals don't obey the law. I have a neighbor up the road that owns several tractors. If I stole an unsecured backhoe and went on a rampage down town, is that his fault for leaving it parked by his shop with the key in it, or is it on me for breaking the law.

I'm not a big fan of conservative politics, but this is common sense people. It's not as if she left it in the parking lot of a walmart. It was in her home, on private property.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Seems like this is a simple issue of theft, at base.

Doesn't seem intrinsically politically charged or anything.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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Well thank god she did have a few drinks and leave a pregnant woman to drown in a car crash, that would totally destroy her Senate career.

Oh irony.
Well played sir.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:39 AM
 
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Okay....to all you "she was at fault for not locking her garage door."

If the criminal was caught inside her garage, would the law enforcement shrug their shoulders and say "oh well, we can't arrest you since the garage door wasn't locked!"?

End of story.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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And you gun nuts wonder why we don't bother listening to you when tell us that guns are OK because responsible gun owners always keep their guns away from children and criminals. .
You lost all credability when you start off with gun nuts...but you're used to that.

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Also when you tell us that criminals don't obey laws so there's no point to gun laws..
No, that is a stupid ignorant leftist talking point. People who have guns ask, why do we need MORE laws when the current laws are not enforced.

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But the entire gist of this thread is:

A. No one should have to worry about criminals breaking into their home because there are laws against trespassing and burglary! (Which are helpfully quoted ad nauseum all over the thread.)..
Nope, wrong again, why should we cater to criminals? Why are you coddiling the criminal and bashinig the home owner? Pathetic

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B. There's no need to secure your weapons in your home because it's your Constitutional right to make them available to any dumb nut who wants to walk off with them, no matter what age or mental condition.
..
Now here is a true leftist ignorant comment, way to go and show you have NO understanding of anything that has been said in this thread...Great job....

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Got it.

BTW, is this where the "it's the fault of our mental health care system" talking point comes in? Because anyone who believes all of the above are simultaneously true certainly needs mental health treatment.
No, this is where, once again, you have NO clue what you're talking about. Perfect answer!
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Okay....to all you "she was at fault for not locking her garage door."

If the criminal was caught inside her garage, would the law enforcement shrug their shoulders and say "oh well, we can't arrest you since the garage door wasn't locked!"?

End of story.

Locks only keep honest people honest.
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