AR-15 rifle stolen from GOP congresswoman's garage (suspected, rating, examples)

[hogfamily]

Or how about this.....


Burglary (also called breaking and entering[1] and sometimes housebreaking)[2] is a crime, the essence of which is illegal entry into a building for the purposes of committing an offence. Usually that offence will be theft, but most jurisdictions specify others which fall within the ambit of burglary. To engage in the act of burglary is to burgle (in British English) or to burglarize (in American English).[3]

[hogfamily]

Or this......

thief [θiːf]n pl thieves [θiːvz]1. a person who steals something from another
2. (Law) Criminal law a person who commits theft

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I am not familiar with NC regulations regarding
firearm storage, but I didn't say it HAS TO be locked away, but it is better if
it is. Kids find firearms lying around the house and accidents happen, so it is
good to understand the proper way to store a firearm

The "proper" way to store a firearm, [depending on state and local law] is any way you wish, provided the law doesn't dictate a specific standard. If I want to keep a loaded gun laying on my kitchen table, that's good enough, and it is secure. It is inside my home. No one has the right to break in to my home and take it.

. Purchasing a gun safe proves she understands the proper and safe way to store
a firearm. You obviously do not know anything about it, since you argue a
garage counter is a good, safe and secure place.

Sorry, but you fail, because I have a gun safe. That is the way in which I "choose" to store my firearms. Before that, I used to store them by standing them up in the corner of my bedroom, which is a perfectly acceptable method of storage as well.

What stupid argument? If you think a counter in an unlocked garage is a good
and secure place to store a firearm, then that's cool, I wont' call you stupid,
you're just someone who probably should not own a gun before talking a firearm
safety course. The Congresswoman has a gun safe, so she is far better informed
than you.

Once again, ya fail. I have a gun safe. I like the idea of having a safe. I'd recommend anyone who has a gun to get a gun safe to keep their guns out of the hands of criminals/kids. However, I wouldn't label a gun owner who does not have a safe as an irresponsible gun owner.

She, or he son, just committed a mental slip by forgetting to put it in
the safe. Like I said, honest mistake. She had her AR stolen. What a
bummer.

QUESTION:

In your opinion, had the Congresswoman NOT had a gun safe and her usual method of storage was on the counter in her unlocked garage, would you say she should have been charged with negligence or some other type of crime?

[lifeexplorer]

Originally Posted by trlhiker

Are you really that dense? If you leave an valuable object in plain sight and it gets stolen, it is partially your fault whether you like it or not. If it is locked up out of sight and still gets stolen, then you took all precautions. It is not your fault at all. I have never had anything stolen from me since I was a kid, why because I always lock my doors in both my house and car and never leave anything valuable in sight. Common sense people. I guess common sense and personal responsibility in Republicans are lacking these days.

Lacking? Democrats don't have any common sense or personal responsibility. Period!

[hogfamily]

And this......

steal


verb
verb: steal; 3rd person present: steals; past tense: stole; gerund or present participle: stealing; past participle: stolen
1.
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

QUESTION:In your opinion, had the Congresswoman NOT had a gun safe and her usual method of storage was on the counter in her unlocked garage, would you say she should have been charged with negligence or some other type of crime?

No, I specifically said she doesn't HAVE TO put them in the safe, but it would be better if she did. I did not say there are any legal requirement in NC, I specifically said I am not familiar with NC law. Next time, when you read, read with comprehension. All your arguments reveal you failed to understand my post.

[jmqueen]

Originally Posted by hogfamily

Or how about this.....


Burglary (also called breaking and entering[1] and sometimes housebreaking)[2] is a crime, the essence of which is illegal entry into a building for the purposes of committing an offence. Usually that offence will be theft, but most jurisdictions specify others which fall within the ambit of burglary. To engage in the act of burglary is to burgle (in British English) or to burglarize (in American English).[3]

Do explain to me why the Congresswoman, or you, for that matter, expect criminals to obey these laws, making it unnecessary to lock doors or secure valuables? Here on C-D we've all been schooled by you gun nuts that criminals never obey laws.

I keep asking this simple question, and no one seems to want to tackle it. Can't imagine why that is.

[hogfamily]

Originally Posted by jmqueen

Do explain to me why the Congresswoman, or you, for that matter, expect criminals to obey these laws, making it unnecessary to lock doors or secure valuables? Here on C-D we've all been schooled by you gun nuts that criminals never obey laws.

Yup that's why they are called criminals.


Never said I expect criminals not to break laws...trying to point out that crime victims should not be blamed for the action of the criminal.

If you are hit by a drunk driver is it's your fault for driving on the same road?

[jmqueen]

Originally Posted by hogfamily

Yup that's why they are called criminals.


Never said I expect criminals not to break laws...trying to point out that crime victims should not be blamed for the action of the criminal.

If you are hit by a drunk driver is it's your fault for driving on the same road?

You keep going on about that as if it were pertinent.

The point is, if you don't trust criminals to stay out of your home, and you claim to be a responsible gun owner, why on Earth would you leave weapons lying around unsecured?

Like I said, it sure makes it hard to take you gun folks seriously when you drop your own talking points like hotcakes just to defend some idiot GOP Congresswoman who has proven that she is not, in fact, a responsible gun owner like the rest of you claim you all are.

[hogfamily]

Originally Posted by jmqueen

Do explain to me why the Congresswoman, or you, for that matter, expect criminals to obey these laws, making it unnecessary to lock doors or secure valuables? Here on C-D we've all been schooled by you gun nuts that criminals never obey laws.

I keep asking this simple question, and no one seems to want to tackle it. Can't imagine why that is.

And the question I would ask is why is it the victims fault the crime was committed.

Several here keep blaming the congresswoman for the criminal's behavior. What part of this don't some of you get? She did not commit any crimes.

Congresswoman = crime victim

Thief = criminal


Burglary (also called breaking and entering[1] and sometimes housebreaking)[2] is a crime, the essence of which is illegal entry into a building for the purposes of committing an offence. Usually that offence will be theft, but most jurisdictions specify others which fall within the ambit of burglary. To engage in the act of burglary is to burgle (in British English) or to burglarize (in American English).[3]

thief [θiːf]n pl thieves [θiːvz]1. a person who steals something from another
2. (Law) Criminal law a person who commits theft


steal
verb
verb: steal; 3rd person present: steals; past tense: stole; gerund or present participle: stealing; past participle: stolen
1.
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.