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Old 10-25-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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These jerks get paid a ton of money and part of that is because they supposedly have a lot of responsibility. When they FAIL at it, they should be held accountable. Period. This is our damn money they are blowing through. Why the **** should they be rewarded by keeping their job and salaries?! How much of a hack do you have to be to say no one should be fired?!?!
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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Does she really want to start a war?
Pick your battles wisely!

This lady will be a forgotten memory in short order.
"we needed 5 years to make this work" - CNN
Pretty funny. I guarantee a health insurer with good systems could have done this in six months.

This is Obummer's Katrina...Heckuva job Brownie...er...Katie.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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This is what's awesome about bureaucratic centers. The administration in charge can make them and they have a life of their own. They never close shop and are never directly accountable to the people. Plus, they can always just claim they were "following orders"
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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If she were fired you would have to bring in someone who would have to spend several weeks just getting up to speed. The GOP has scandal envy , they have to make everything look like a scandal. The last thing they need is another photo op attacking a decent woman.
A decent woman? Declaring that she only works for those who support her boss, implying that the rest are not worth any effort of assistance? She certainly has the ego of this administration along with the lack of compassion.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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Pretty funny. I guarantee a health insurer with good systems could have done this in six months.

This is Obummer's Katrina.
Secure websites are made all the time, and they dont cost even close to the money the government wasted on this failure.

Simply unreal and unacceptable for this to have happened. The scariest part is, these liberal pukes still advocate for more government, bigger government, more spending.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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She is correct. She does not work for those that critisize her. She is an appointee, not an elected official.

You got a problem with her, take your concerns to her boss.
First, this appointees job is to help all people, not just those she thinks support her boss. She has failed.

Second, this has been taken to her boss and, as usual with anything critical of him, he has ignored it or tried to blame someone else.

You got a problem with the truth? Don't take it to anyone in politics, they don't know what truth is in the first place.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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i agree.

when you put someone in a high-paying job where their ONLY job is to make decisions

and then they make bad decisions.. there has to be accountability.
She probably made no decisions on this. It was all below her pay grade. Cabinet officers are the face of an organization, but it is the professionals who work there that make the wheels go round (or not). Sebelius' failing was more along the lines of telling her boss (Obama) that all was ready to go. As a former boss, I was always more pizzed off when people deceived me about the status of a project than learning a project was behind schedule. There is nothing a boss hates more than to be blindsided. If you go to the owner and tell him that his project is on budget and on time only to find out that it is not true, you get really upset about that. Obama is the one she left standing in the line of fire (if she did). Obama, not Congress or "the people" is the one to decide if she failed him badly enough that she has lost his confidence and support.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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Secure websites are made all the time, and they dont cost even close to the money the government wasted on this failure.
i've already said she should be fired, but i will say something in her defense --

it is impossible to implement an IT system when the underlying rules keep changing. I don't know exactly what rules were changed towards the end of implementation, or who changed them, but that is certainly an important piece of the puzzle.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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She probably made no decisions on this. It was all below her pay grade. Cabinet officers are the face of an organization, but it is the professionals who work there that make the wheels go round (or not). Sebelius' failing was more along the lines of telling her boss (Obama) that all was ready to go. As a former boss, I was always more pizzed off when people deceived me about the status of a project than learning a project was behind schedule. There is nothing a boss hates more than to be blindsided. If you go to the owner and tell him that his project is on budget and on time only to find out that it is not true, you get really upset about that. Obama is the one she left standing in the line of fire (if she did). Obama, not Congress or "the people" is the one to decide if she failed him badly enough that she has lost his confidence and support.
And you honestly would expect Obama of all people, to fire her even if he did lose confidence? He is more concerned with optics and how it would be perceived, not whats right or wrong.

And again, she wont even fire anyone. This is all about no accountability. Not one person is being held accountable. That shows you just how much they care about wasting our money. They dont care. Because theyll always get more of it because we HAVE to pay our taxes or we go to jail. We get held accountable.

In the private sector, more often than not, there is some accountability. If a failure like this happened where I work, heads roll. If a failure like this happened when I was in the Navy, people were punished and reprimanded, commanding officers would be replaced.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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She probably made no decisions on this. It was all below her pay grade. Cabinet officers are the face of an organization, but it is the professionals who work there that make the wheels go round (or not).
And she's responsible for managing those professionals. If they fail at their jobs it is her job to identify their failures and replace them. Most importantly -- it is her job to produce a coherent process for managing contracts. It is her job to know what the contractors were paid to do, and what they were not paid to do.

Now, maybe she wasn't the right person for that job -- maybe she lacked the technical knowledge -- which just reinforces the idea that she should be replaced.

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Sebelius' failing was more along the lines of telling her boss (Obama) that all was ready to go.
And that is a HUGE failing.
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