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Then perhaps they do what millions of loving parents did during the Great Depression. They gave kids up for adoption, so the kids would have a better life.
It is not societies job to overcome individuals shortcomings.
What is in bold is such a incorrect statement. There is a reason we have programs to help people. We thankfully do not live in a "me for me" society even though many people would love that we are all one group that has decided to help others. If you do not like that maybe you should go to a third world country where that does not happen.
Right because there are so many better jobs out there. Get two or three sure and people will spending about every moment of their life sleeping or working no free time or time with family. If that happens I guarantee we will see more suicides. Curse no blame should go to Businesses you want to shift all the blame to the employee so your beloved rich people will prosper more. This is the problem with the country now business are not being held accountable and society has to pay for it.
and just what should business be held accountable for? are you suggesting that business should just hire a bunch of people they dont need? and then pay them say $15 an hour, to do what? i have said it before, business is not created to put people to work. a business is created to make the owner of the business money. they do that by creating a product or service, and charging enough money to cover expenses and make a profit, but not charge too much that they lose business.
if a business needs to hire someone to take up work that needs to be done, but the owner isnt able to get to, then they hire someone, usually because the business has expanded to require an employee. there is no shifting of blame to the employee, because the business is blameless when an employee hires on and accepts the wages the business will pay for a particular job. if the employee doesnt like the wages offered, they dont have to accept the job offer. again if the employee cant do the math to figure out what they are going to get each week, how is that the employers problem?
and how is it the employers problem if the going rate for a particular job is lets say $8 an hour, but the employee needs $12 to make ends meet? you want to blame the employer for the ills of society, but the employer isnt the problem.
Government over taxation and over regulation drove jobs away.
The free market is more powerful and much smarter than government.
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You know, some things just are not "high value" and one of them is fast food.
I recall a conversation years ago with someone, who thought everyone should get an income - the SAME income. Because this person thought that we should all be free to live well, even if what we wanted to do was fingerpaint cardboard boxes.
I remember many years ago, reading a Nat Geo article about a mine. This mine had produced massively, but the amount compared to the ore was microscopic. The fact was, that even the miner's clothes eventually went through as ore, to extract even the most minute quantities - NOTHING went to waste.
The "it takes a village" is nonsense, in my view... however, "It takes a nation" is true... when you mean "It takes a nation to be a nation". That is, everyone, regardless of skill or value, should be productive. Some people's contributions will be very small, some large. But like the mine, when its all added up, it's very large. The fact is, that if we stopped prohibiting low value work, so that everyone worked, the total would be greater than it is now, and everyone would be better off.
Then perhaps they do what millions of loving parents did during the Great Depression. They gave kids up for adoption, so the kids would have a better life.
It is not societies job to overcome individuals shortcomings.
You want to return to an era where unwanted children grew up in orphanages? Well you have definitely stuck the idiotic comment line in the hole you have been digging.
if someone is working two jobs, and cant make ends meet, then they are doing something wrong. perhaps they need to give up that big house and move into a smaller apartment, give up the big Tv, and cable, and buying toys for the kids, etc. stop buying the high end food and buy private label brands, if they have two cars, give one up and use a bike instead. there are all kinds of way to economize.
What if they pack a family of 4 into a studio apartment with only basic things and living on cans of beans while working every hour they are awake (with no one home to parent their children) and still need assistance? Then what?
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