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Old 10-28-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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Obviously you are interchanging "rights" and "private rules". They are not interchangable.
They are in the context of institutions and private businesses. If they make a rule, it's not your right to break it. Not without consequences.

When I enrolled at a university, I received in my orientation paperwork a list of "student rights and responsibilities". They differed from my rights in the outside world, but that doesn't change the fact that they were my rights in that context.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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They are in the context of institutions and private businesses. If they make a rule, it's not your right to break it.
There is no right to not be offended.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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There is no right to not be offended.
You see this more and more in corporate and private sector American. These institutions can not foresee every instance of 'discriminnation' brought agasint them...so as a matter if protection, they have adpoted a zero policy. it doesnt matter if and action or object is offesive, all actions/objects are banned to reduce their risk of liability.

This is not a case of an 'offesive' object per se, it is a case of an object...any and all obects, that are banned and the compliance with that ban.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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You see this more and more in corporate and private sector American. These institutions can not foresee every instance of 'discriminnation' brought agasint them...so as a matter if protection, they have adpoted a zero policy. it doesnt matter if and action or object is offesive, all actions/objects are banned to reduce their risk of liability.

This is not a case of an 'offesive' object per se, it is a case of an object...any and all obects, that are banned and the compliance with that ban.
Yes but they are not banned because people have a right to not be offended. A corporation or private college can set certain rules though if they wish.

Many times it's in the corporations or college's best interest. That's fine.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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There is no right to not be offended.
Students do have a "right to be treated with respect", a statement outlined in Rochester University's Code of Conduct as issued by the school. This entails, according to their policy, having regard for the well-being and living activities of other students. This is really the central question of this case...whether the student's right to free speech in his dorm window trumps the right of Black students (and others) not to be disrespected by a well-known symbol of racist ideology when they are in a common residential area.

Last edited by Slithytoves; 10-28-2013 at 10:18 AM.. Reason: To remove comment not fully supported by media coverage of the issue.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Students do have a "right to be treated with respect", a statement outlined in Rochester University's Code of Conduct as issued by the school.
That is a school rule, not a right.

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This entails, according to their policy, having regard for the well-being and living activities of other students. This is really the central question of this case...whether the student's right to free speech in his dorm window trumps the right of Black students (and others) not to be disrespected by a well-known symbol of racist ideology when they are in a common residential area.
You can't pass a rule to make people have a regard for the well being of any other student at that. We have already covered that free speech is not a part of the equation where it comes to private college's. A college can pass such a rule and it has nothing to do with free speech as your rights to free speech have no bearing here.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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Whether Germans do or don't or should or shouldn't, they have every right to fly whatever flag they want. That's what makes us different from those who exist under other flags.
Hopefully this has already been said, but in actuality, people do not have a right to fly whatever flag they want on property that they do not own.

This student does not own the dorm so he is not able to put holes in the wall, let alone fly a confederate flag, unless the university authorizes him to.

I work in housing and we have renters who want to put up various sorts of flags. We can remove them because we own the property and they are just renters.

And FYI, people who live in certain subdivisions or neighborhoods also cannot put whatever flag they wnt in their own yard when they own property because it may be denied via the HOA.

ETA: It doesn't make a difference if a university if private or public, the student (i.e. the renter) does not own the property and therefore has to follow whatever rules that the university has in regards to flags or other posted material.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Hopefully this has already been said, but in actuality, people do not have a right to fly whatever flag they want on property that they do not own.
It's been covered. Once it was pointed out that this is a private college it has been pretty well acknowledged that they can do this.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Whether Germans do or don't or should or shouldn't, they have every right to fly whatever flag they want. That's what makes us different from those who exist under other flags.
Hmmm, that's interesting. Because I seem to recall certain people getting extremely upset when say a Hispanic person flies the Mexican flag. Now how come in that instance, the complaining I see is justified but not justified in terms of hanging a redneck flag? Very interesting.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Hmmm, that's interesting. Because I seem to recall certain people getting extremely upset when say a Hispanic person flies the Mexican flag. Now how come in that instance, the complaining I see is justified but not justified in terms of hanging a redneck flag? Very interesting.
You would have to ask them. I stated what I thought about that recently. Go back a few posts.
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